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Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:33 pm to
Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:33 pm to
Why do people keep bringing up TALENT....

Does LSU have it... YES

But so does EVERY OTHER SCHOOL


In past 3 years LSU has signed 48 players that Rivals rated 4 or 5* players. Of that 48 14 have either left the team, been drafted, or something else has happened.
Florida/Bama/Auburn/UT/hell even Arkansas/Ole Miss are able to recruit just as well. North Carolina and West Virginia are wild cards next year because both are capable of beating LSU especially with the losses LSU is set to suffer and the fact those are early season games.

Next year 8-5 would be low and 10-3 would be great for LSU. 9-4 is a more logical prediction on how the season ends up unfolding.
This post was edited on 12/1/09 at 11:35 pm
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16953 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:36 pm to
Damn, so much for LSU fans having high expectations. Maybe this is what's needed for the yearly catastrophe syndrome to subside after a loss.
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5720 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

Florida/Bama/Auburn/UT/hell even Arkansas/Ole Miss are able to recruit just as well.

You just lost all credibility.
Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
4689 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:49 pm to
quote:

You just lost all credibility.



Really?
Last year
LSU #2
Arkansas #16
Ole Miss #18
Auburn #19
Tennessee #10

2008:
Rivals has
LSU #11
Auburn #20
Ole Miss #26
Tennessee #35
Arkansas #36

2007:
Tennessee #3
LSU #4
Auburn #7
Ole Miss #27
Arkansas #31

Talent Gap is not as wide as people would like to believe it is.

This post was edited on 12/1/09 at 11:52 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293632 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:55 pm to
Last season when LSU played Arkansas, the LSU team looked like an NFL team compared to Arkansas. Auburn hasn't near the talent LSU has, their depth chart is abysmal. LSU is, or should be in a class ONLY with Florida and Alabama. Below that would be UGA and Tennessee. The rest are not close.
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5720 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 12:16 am to
Average ranking of that 3 year period....

Arkansas - #28
Ole Miss - #24
Tenn - #16
Auburn - #15

LSU - #6

You also have to take into account attrition (kids that sign that dont have the grades for example) which is very high for Auburn and to some degree Tenn.

We are on average 10 spots or more better than those teams in recruiting rankings (more if you take into account attrition). Our consistancy in recruiting is FAR superior which means we have better more experienced depth at almost every position.

All 4 of those schools have had recent HC changes which also gives an uptic to thier first recruiting class. FWIW.
Posted by Brageous
Member since Jul 2008
107724 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 12:20 am to
quote:


Looks to me like we could finish anywhere from 6-6 to 10-2


Way to go out on a limb by narrowing down your pick.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 12:22 am to
"So i see LSU going anywhere from 3-9 to 7-5"

get real.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293632 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 12:32 am to
quote:

Why do people keep bringing up TALENT....

Does LSU have it... YES

But so does EVERY OTHER SCHOOL




Not elite level talent. LSU BRINGS in elite level, not sure it develops it. At many schools one 4* recruit is a good year.

Problem folks, the BCS has changed the atmosphere of college football. 3 losses isn't good enough. If you are not one of the ten teams getting into a BCS game, you are an also ran. Don't shoot the messenger, thats what expectations are now. If you are paid to be an elite coach you are expected to produce elite results.

Now, LSU is an elite recruiting program. If LSU doen't have elite talent, its a coaching issue. LSU should compete for the SEC title and have expectations of challenging for a BCS slot every season.

BCS changed everything. Thats just the way it is
This post was edited on 12/2/09 at 12:49 am
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5720 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 12:43 am to
quote:

LSU BRINGS in elite level

And that is why people keep bringing up TALENT. It does not gaurantee victory, but it sure as hell doesnt hurt.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 1:15 am to
Rivals Recruiting Rankings
(Team, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 [so far])
-------------------------
LSU, #7, #4, #11, #2, #4
-------------------------
vs. UNC (in Atlanta), #30, #17, #32, #9, #32
at VU, #60, #67, #90, #71, #69
vs. Miss. St., #44, #39, #44, #25, #41
vs. WVU, #52, #23, #42, #27, #27
vs. Tenn., #23, #3, #35, #10, #7
at UF, #2, #1, #3, #11, #5
vs. McNeese St., --
at Auburn, #10, #7, #20, #19, #8
OPEN DATE
vs. Alabama, #11, #10, #1, #1, #2
vs. ULM, --
vs. Ole Miss, #16, #27, #29, #18, #38
at Arkansas, #26, #31, #36, #16, #54

I think 9-3 seems reasonable.
Posted by BengalRaider90
Schofield Barracks, Wahiawa, HI
Member since Sep 2004
359 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 4:44 am to
11-1.
Posted by SFTiger
Maryland
Member since Feb 2007
610 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 5:24 am to
quote:

at Alabama


The Bama game is in BR next season.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
86565 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 5:41 am to
W North Carolina
W @ Vanderbilt
W Mississippi State
L West Virginia
L Tennessee
L @ Florida
W McNeese St.
L @ Auburn
W Alabama
W UL-Monroe
W Ole Miss
L @ Arkansas



7-5
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:01 am to
quote:

I see 2 games that we should have about a 90-95% chance of winning: at Vandy, Miss State


After this year's games against both teams, and factoring in the Miles decline, I can't see how anybody thinks we have a 90-95% chance against either of these teams. I'd put us at about 70% in both games, maybe 75% against Vandy.
quote:

I see 2 games that we should have about a 70-75% chance of winning: North Carolina and West Virginia

We are less than 50% likely to beat North Carolina, IMO, and maybe 50% likely to beat West Virginia.
quote:

I see 2 games that I give us about a 60% chance of winning: Tennessee and Ole Miss

The past two years prove we have nothing close to a 60% chance vs. Ole Miss. It would be optimistic to put our chances at 40%. Tennessee is maybe a tossup.
quote:

The other 4 games look like they could be tossups.

Florida and Alabama tossups?
Auburn and Arkansas may be close to tossups, though.

So, given these percentages, here's how you see our record next year...

1.0 + 1.0 + .95 + .90 + .75 + .70 + .60 + .60 + .50 + .50 + .50 + .50 = 8.50 wins = tossup between 8-4 and 9-3 in regular season.

And here's how I see it...

1.0 + 1.0 + .70 + .75 + .45 + .50 + .40 + .50 + .20 + .30 + .50 + .50 = 6.80 wins = likely 7-5, with about 20% chance of 6-6.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:06 am to
quote:

LSU, #7, #4, #11, #2, #4
-------------------------
vs. UNC (in Atlanta), #30, #17, #32, #9, #32
at VU, #60, #67, #90, #71, #69
vs. Miss. St., #44, #39, #44, #25, #41
vs. WVU, #52, #23, #42, #27, #27
vs. Tenn., #23, #3, #35, #10, #7
at UF, #2, #1, #3, #11, #5
vs. McNeese St., --
at Auburn, #10, #7, #20, #19, #8
OPEN DATE
vs. Alabama, #11, #10, #1, #1, #2
vs. ULM, --
vs. Ole Miss, #16, #27, #29, #18, #38
at Arkansas, #26, #31, #36, #16, #54

I think 9-3 seems reasonable.



Although 9-3 is significantly better than I picked, based on these recruiting rankings, which three teams "should" beat us? I see Florida and Alabama as the only two teams whose rankings are comparable to ours. That means any other team that beats us next year will probably do it with superior coaching.
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:10 am to
quote:

Looks to me like we could finish anywhere from 6-6 to 10-2

If we played an out-of-conference schedule like our 2009 one, I'd say 10-2 or better, going 4-0 in OOC. However, given that we're playing real OOC competition in 2010, I'd say 9-3 or 10-2.
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:13 am to
quote:

"So i see LSU going anywhere from 3-9 to 7-5"

get real.


I see your point, but I would not be shocked if we go 7-5. I think it will be 8-4, but I could see us losing 1 game to North Carolina or West Virginia along with 4 SEC losses. We easily could have gone 7-5 this year. We had a lot of good fortune.
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
9907 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:20 am to
UNC had preseason O-line problems. They played almost all second-teamers this year. Losing the seniors will not be as big as you think.

Their defense is stacked w/ scouts drooling over a few players. One is likely to declare this yr, with 2 others thinking about it.

They have a good QB, RB, and receiver and they are pretty young. The best players are JR's and younger.

The UNC game is a toss up.
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4836 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:21 am to
quote:

we r losing our whole d line and are top tailbacks too


Not true. We are losing our starting tailbacks, but not our top tailbacks.
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