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Catman88
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LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4

LSU's offense did not avg close to 40 points a game as many media members and ranters have been posting.

LSU's offense averaged 31.1 ppg still respectable but you cannot include safeties and int returns and punt returns as offensive production.

If you take out scores LSU's offense made from less than 26 yards from the endzone setup by a fumble or a INT by the defense LSU averaged just 27.4 points per game. LSU scored 21 points by starting drives inside the opponents 10 yard line.

With JJ starting at qb LSU's offense averaged 21.3 points a game.

With Lee starting at qb LSU's offense averaged 31.9

Both taking away D and ST scores and drives starting inside the opponents 26 yard line. Which was chosen due to being within Allemans range to start a drive.
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Boh
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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With JJ at center LSU's offense averaged 21.3 points a game.

With Lee at center LSU's offense averaged 31.9

Boy that JJ sure scared the shite out of Saban in prep for the championship

But but but he can escape the pressure that Bama's throwing at him, that's why he's in there

quality post, btw
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Catman88
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
In reality LSU only scored 14 points in the SECCG that wasnt given to them that was the most glaring.


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heightstiger
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
Stop making sense. This is a faith based coaching staff who had faith in JJ


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Tiger_n_ATL
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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If you take out scores LSU's offense made from less than 26 yards from the endzone setup by a fumble or a INT by the defense
You can't, though.


Catman88
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
Why not? You cant take away INT returns and punt returns either in the official stat. If you are given the ball to start on the 26 yard line and you dont come away with points something is really wrong.

Would you rather avg scoring drive for the two QB's? That wont look pretty for JJ.
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Macavity92
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
You can take away drives inside the 26 if what you are trying to analyze is the ability of the offense to move the ball down the field into scoring position for points.


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LNCHBOX
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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LSU's offense did not avg close to 40 points a game as many media members and ranters have been posting.

LSU's offense averaged 31.1 ppg still respectable but you cannot include safeties and int returns and punt returns as offensive production.

If you take out scores LSU's offense made from less than 26 yards from the endzone setup by a fumble or a INT by the defense LSU averaged just 27.4 points per game. LSU scored 21 points by starting drives inside the opponents 10 yard line.

With JJ at center LSU's offense averaged 21.3 points a game.

With Lee at center LSU's offense averaged 31.9

Both taking away D and ST scores and drives starting inside the opponents 26 yard line. Which was chosen due to being within Allemans range to start a drive.


I assume you'll do this same groundbreaking analysis for Bama's offense next

Newsflash, all three phases count.
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CptBengal
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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Newsflash, all three phases count.



that sound was the point whizzing by, over your head.


LNCHBOX
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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that sound was the point whizzing by, over your head.


Could say the same for you. Unless you take away all the returns and gimme's for Bama's offensive stats, this thread is stupid.

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Catman88
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
Why would I care about Bama's total? Are LSU fans and some local media members using the Bama scored almost 40 ppg argument for something?

LSU's Offense scored 31ppg thats a fact that cant be taken away not 38ppg. Im just pointing out that as well as that many of the points that made up the 38ppg were also scores that attribute to defensive plays. Shouls LSU's offense really get credit for the 7 points TM7 falling 1 yard short from the EZ against WV?


LNCHBOX
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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LSU's Offense scored 31ppg thats a fact that cant be taken away not 38ppg. Im just pointing out that as well as that many of the points that made up the 38ppg were also scores that attribute to defensive plays. Shouls LSU's offense really get credit for the 7 points TM7 falling 1 yard short from the EZ against WV?


No one is comparing Bama's to ours. I'm merely pointing out that this is a waste of time if you're not going to do it for every team.

So what exactly is your point? That the offense didn't score every point this season and had some short fields?

Well no shit, my mind=blown



Mahootney
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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With JJ at center LSU's offense averaged 21.3 points a game.

With Lee at center LSU's offense averaged 31.9
This is the point that EVERYONE seems to be missing.
TEN points per game!


Catman88
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
Some team's actually score almost every point on offense.. LSU used its defense to rack up a shite ton of points for them.

When people make the argument that LSU's offense wasnt bad it scored close to 40 points a game.. they are using a stat that is wrong for that argument. Thats the point being made.
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Doc Fenton
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
Now that the 2011-12 season is officially in the books, I can close out this nice little set of stats from before. What you see below are the LSU QBs since 1986 (i.e., the ones who have had at least 5 SEC starts), and LSU's record and PPG in regulation in games against SEC teams where that particular QB had the majority of playing time/drives/snaps while LSU was on offense:

Flynn, 6-2, 33.50
Lee, 8-3, 31.09
Mauck, 11-1, 30.00
Davey, 7-4, 27.82
Tyler, 16-9, 27.16
Jefferson, 15-8, 24.83
Hodson, 18-7, 24.44
Russell, 16-6, 24.32
Randall, 5-3, 22.38
Loup, 5-6, 19.64
Booty, 4-9, 18.62
Howard, 7-15-1, 16.74


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trex1230
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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You can't, though.
+1 - you cannot penalize an offense for short fields, defense touchdowns, and good special teams. Guess what happens when you run a punt back for a TD? Wait for it, the ball goes BACK to the other team. That what there was not a possession to drive the ball 80 yards and score an offensive TD.



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ZTiger87
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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This is the point that EVERYONE seems to be missing. TEN points per game!


It is also including both games against Bama, and a game against the 2nd best defense we saw all year. It is also including the drives JJ started and led us to scores when Lee started the games.


Mahootney
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re: LSU Offense PPG Fallacy - Real Total 31.1 w/o gimmies 27.4
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It is also including both games against Bama, and a game against the 2nd best defense we saw all year. It is also including the drives JJ started and led us to scores when Lee started the games.
I get your point; JJ played some better defenses, but tell me how Jefferson's statistics are different from the last 3 years?

I need to find the thread that had the breakdown of performance between the two Qbs. Efficiency, sacks, yards, TD/Int, etc.


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