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Posted on 9/28/12 at 10:13 am to Tiger MemRee
quote:D Bowe is the only offensive player that you hear about on a week in/week out basis that has played mostly under Miles and is a franchise player. (I know that other O players are on rosters, but they aren't impact players).
However, we are not developing our offensive players and teaching them to be successful within this system
Sad really, for Miles, but it speaks volumes about his mentality. He doesn't have a good offensive philosophy and he also doesn't develop offensive players for the next level.
Miles plays a 'college game with college players', built for the here and now. It's a short game, not a long game.
This post was edited on 9/28/12 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/28/12 at 12:40 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
I think the premise of the OP was that Les hasn't done a good job recruiting/developing OL as evidenced by the fact that "LSU has no active NFL OL who finished college after 2005" (but as noted above Barksdale may still be in the NFL).
I don't think this tells the whole story by any means. Ciron Black was a projected 1/2 rd pick as Jr. He chose to return in '09, was hurt, and no NFL career. Similarly, Will Arnold (although a Saban recruit) was a projected 5th rd pick after his soph. season had he intended to come out after '06; alas, injuries. Big Herm played some for the Cards.
My point is that trying to judge a coach's performance in CFB by OL performance in the NFL is flawed.
OL typcially arrive in recruting classes with 3-5 others. There will already be 10-15 OL on roster. Because it's a physical position there's a lot of attrition due to injuries. Others have to decide if they want to stick it out 2-3 years before they'll ever see the field or assume a permanent backup role (think Greg Shaw or Carnell Stewart) or transfer out (e.g., Singleton, Matt Allen, or McCoy). Because of the high attrition/injury rate that 'comes with the territory' I don't see this as a good metric for evaluating Les.
I think we are into our 4th "offensive philosophy" since Les arrived:
1) Jimbo ('05-'06) - same as Saban
2) Crowton I ('07-'08) - totally GC's approach (fast-n-loose)
3) Crowton II ('09-'10) - Les approach/Crowton playcalling (very conservative).
4) Stud-thorpe ('11-present) - 8 weeks of one thing and another 5 of another.
But I agree that our approaches to O have not been conducive to showcasing skill position players. IMO, Rueben Randle, Terrence Toliver, Keiland were all under-utilized.
I don't think this tells the whole story by any means. Ciron Black was a projected 1/2 rd pick as Jr. He chose to return in '09, was hurt, and no NFL career. Similarly, Will Arnold (although a Saban recruit) was a projected 5th rd pick after his soph. season had he intended to come out after '06; alas, injuries. Big Herm played some for the Cards.
My point is that trying to judge a coach's performance in CFB by OL performance in the NFL is flawed.
OL typcially arrive in recruting classes with 3-5 others. There will already be 10-15 OL on roster. Because it's a physical position there's a lot of attrition due to injuries. Others have to decide if they want to stick it out 2-3 years before they'll ever see the field or assume a permanent backup role (think Greg Shaw or Carnell Stewart) or transfer out (e.g., Singleton, Matt Allen, or McCoy). Because of the high attrition/injury rate that 'comes with the territory' I don't see this as a good metric for evaluating Les.
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He doesn't have a good offensive philosophy and he also doesn't develop offensive players for the next level.
I think we are into our 4th "offensive philosophy" since Les arrived:
1) Jimbo ('05-'06) - same as Saban
2) Crowton I ('07-'08) - totally GC's approach (fast-n-loose)
3) Crowton II ('09-'10) - Les approach/Crowton playcalling (very conservative).
4) Stud-thorpe ('11-present) - 8 weeks of one thing and another 5 of another.
But I agree that our approaches to O have not been conducive to showcasing skill position players. IMO, Rueben Randle, Terrence Toliver, Keiland were all under-utilized.
Posted on 9/28/12 at 12:43 pm to AlwysATgr
Joe Barksdale just got picked up off waivers this week.....can't remember the team.
**Picked up by the Rams off waivers from the Raiders.
**Picked up by the Rams off waivers from the Raiders.
This post was edited on 9/28/12 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 9/28/12 at 1:54 pm to stho381
Jamarcus Russell?
Posted on 9/28/12 at 2:15 pm to duckspanker
Who cares? Half the starting OL in the league are from Podunk U
Posted on 9/28/12 at 2:18 pm to JohnnyU
darn
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