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re: LSU Football 6-6....Get the F out of here

Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:57 pm to
I think I picked 8-4 but thought a losing season was possible if they lost to Miami and Auburn early. Teams sometimes tank and LSU did that during the Archer and Hallman years.

No one is an idiot for thinking LSU might only win 6 games this year. What is frustrating are those who think LSU will always win at least 8 games and that it doesn't matter who the coach is so he might as well be "one of us". We fired a guy that consistently won 9 games a year and had us playing Alabama competitively (at least every time at home). We were promised a championship-caliber coach who would bring us back to the highest level. Instead, Alleva simply promoted our DL coach who was the worst HC in the history of the Ole Miss program. O has done a decent job in maintaining a 9 win/yr team but there are troubling signs and Aranda is probably the main reason we haven't fallen.

We won't ever win a championship with O. No one can credibly argue otherwise. He is a stop-gap and everyone outside of Louisiana knows that. Instead of admitting that you and the paid O shills simply attack those that try to see the situation honestly and don't like it when the administration lies to us.

It's difficult to build a championship program. However, it's better to start with a 9 win/season team than it is to allow the program to decline to a .500 program. Obviously, people don't recognize that when they simply compare the 2018 records of LSU v. Texas or Texas A&M and argue that somehow O is a better coach and we made the right decision.

But go ahead and laugh at the "O-haters" or whatever other straw men you want to create.
Posted by CanIPlay636
Member since Sep 2010
1193 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:07 pm to
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But go ahead and laugh at the "O-haters" or whatever other straw men you want to create.

How am I building a "Straw Man" to argue with? It seems as if you are arguing with a straw man. What does, "We fired a guy that consistently won 9 games a year", "We won't ever win a championship with O", "It's difficult to build a championship program" having anything to do with my OP
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288420 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:20 pm to
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In the last 18 years LSU hasn't won less than 8 games.


Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3726 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:20 pm to
So, why are people "idiots" for thinking LSU might only win 6 games this year? You said that LSU hadn't lost less than 8 games since Dinardo? How is that possibly relevant?

Is LSU going to win 8 games no matter who is coach?

Can LSU win a championship regardless who is coach?

So, do you think O is a championship caliber coach or that people should just shut up and be happy with 9 wins a year?

Many of us supported replacing Miles with a championship-caliber coach. We did not support getting rid of Miles to see if a position coach with a terrible record as a head coach could be foisted on a gullible fan base
Posted by CanIPlay636
Member since Sep 2010
1193 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:36 pm to
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So, why are people "idiots" for thinking LSU might only win 6 games this year?

Actually I said "dumb as a damn stick"

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You said that LSU hadn't lost less than 8 games since Dinardo?

When did I ever say this

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Can LSU win a championship regardless who is coach?

Irrelevant to my OP

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So, do you think O is a championship caliber coach or that people should just shut up and be happy with 9 wins a year?

Again, irrelevant to my OP

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Many of us supported replacing Miles with a championship-caliber coach. We did not support getting rid of Miles to see if a position coach with a terrible record as a head coach could be foisted on a gullible fan base

Man you're really giving it to that "Straw Man"
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3726 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 3:27 pm to
Actually my questions are very relevant to the possible motives of your posts. You won't answer my questions because you know the program is closer to .500 than it is to a championship. Your post is a variation on a theme - mock the people who criticize O or question his ability to be a championship-caliber coach.

So, instead of deflecting, here are the questions again. I think everyone is interested in your honest answers:

Is LSU going to win 8 games no matter who is coach?

Can LSU win a championship regardless who is coach?

So, do you think O is a championship caliber coach or that people should just shut up and be happy with 9 wins a year?
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted by CanIPlay636
Member since Sep 2010
1193 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:07 pm to
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Actually my questions are very relevant to the possible motives of your posts. You won't answer my questions because you know the program is closer to .500 than it is to a championship.

Straw man

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Can LSU win a championship regardless who is coach?

Straw man

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So, do you think O is a championship caliber coach or that people should just shut up and be happy with 9 wins a year?

Strawman. Do you know what a the term Straw man means?

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Is LSU going to win 8 games no matter who is coach?

I don't know the future, but I predict that LSU should win 8 games simply because we're LSU

It seems as you believe I'm pushing O, but I'm not. I'm pushing LSU. The whole point of my OP was to disprove the notion that, because the "pundits" predicted that we would go 6-6 meant that 9-3 should have the same weight as 11-1. Your argument is not with me.
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3726 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:16 pm to
Fair enough. I accept your comments that you aren't pumping pro-O propaganda.

However, your argument that LSU will win 8 wins "because it is LSU" is totally unsupported. LSU didn't win 8 games in a majority of the years between 1989 and 2000. It was LSU then. It's silly to think that LSU can't slip back to that especially since it cheaped out and hired O as a stop-gap coach.

You are literally hoping some intangible thing I'll call the "spirit of LSU", which exists now but for some reason didn't exist during the Archer, Hallman, and later Dinardo years, will so assure LSU of an 8 win season that you think you are safe calling those concerned about a .500 season idiots, or some other colorful term.

If LSU were a corporation and I were a controlling shareholder and the Board of Directors told me it didn't matter that they just hired a CEO with a failing record because the "spirit of the company" would guarantee we would be profitable, I'd have the whole Board replaced.
Posted by WhySoSerious
No.
Member since Jan 2014
884 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:24 pm to
my arse. We’re not far from it if we don’t recruit better DLinemen and get an offensive coordinator.

I said 9-3 before the season started.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 4:25 pm
Posted by CanIPlay636
Member since Sep 2010
1193 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:57 pm to
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However, your argument that LSU will win 8 wins "because it is LSU" is totally unsupported

Again, you are misquoting me. I said I predict LSU should win 8 games. If I knew how many games LSU will win in any given season, then I would make a Vegas bet Furthermore, I'm using the last 18 years to support my prediction. What in our current history supports a prediction that LSU will win only 6 games?
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3726 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:01 pm to
"Our current history" includes hiring O as HC and promoting E as OC. Their performance have a direct impact on our record, not what LSU has done in the last 18 years.

If those two stay in their current positions and Aranda takes a HC job, I think a .500 season is a very likely result next year or the year after that, regardless of us "being LSU".
Posted by CanIPlay636
Member since Sep 2010
1193 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:01 pm to
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We’re not far from it if we don’t recruit better DLinemen and get an offensive coordinator.

I understand your frustration, but until a 6 win season happens, I wouldn't concern myself with that bogus narrative.
Posted by WhySoSerious
No.
Member since Jan 2014
884 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:11 pm to
Fair enough.
Posted by CanIPlay636
Member since Sep 2010
1193 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:38 pm to
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"Our current history" includes hiring O as HC and promoting E as OC. Their performance have a direct impact on our record, not what LSU has done in the last 18 years.

E and O's performance had a direct impact on this year as well and we still won 9 regular season games. If O were to win only 7 games next year, then he'd have failed to accomplish 8 wins, which is something that hasn't happened in the last 18 years.
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3726 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:57 pm to
Explain to me how LSU's history prior to 2016 has any impact on next year. For example, why is it relevant what LSU did in 2007 rather than what it did in 1999.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5915 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 6:00 pm to
I thought we'd win 7
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3726 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 6:03 pm to
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I thought we'd win 7


And you were reasonable to think so given O as HC and E as OC. The team did well this year but we are not elite. We need elite coaches to get to the next level. We have an elite DC but not OC or HC. If we had an elite offensive-minded HC, E would probably be ok working with that guy. But we don't have that guy.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 6:08 pm to
If there were predictions is was because of coaching and the schedule.
O had just lost 4 games playing an easy schedule.

No one knew miami and auburn would be garbage
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
11027 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 6:55 pm to
Any 6-6 prediction was before Burrow transferred. Sunshine pumpers don’t seem to realize that though.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8730 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 7:00 pm to
I mean both the Auburn and UGA games were easily losable. That would've put us at 7-5. And no one knew Miami would suck. Those were the six games circled as the potential losses. We lost 3, won one on a last second kick, had our best game of the year by far against UGA, and Miami ended up sucking.

6-6 was on the pessimistic side for sure, but it wasn't an unrealistic prediction give both how the season transpired and how good teams were supposed to be pre-season.
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