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re: LSU 80 @ Bama 82 game over

Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by TigerBwoy
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:59 pm to
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oh yea and most nights bama can't hit the broad side of a barn and they pretty much shot lights out tonight.awesome


LSU gave them a LOT of easy looks. This team is flat out lazy in the half court D. That's on the coaching staff, as it's obvious there is no emphasis on that aspect of the game.

They should have never called off the press. It's a risk/reward D.
But when you're as bad as LSU was in the half court tonight, I'll take my chances with the frantic pace. Bama could do nothing against the press and Grant knew it. He was desperate, and CJJ bailed him out.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 10:00 pm
Posted by Hat Tricks
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:02 pm to
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oh yea and most nights bama can't hit the broad side of a barn and they pretty much shot lights out tonight.awesome


I feel like we say this a lot about teams we play. At some point we have to probably consider it is our lazy arse defense.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:10 pm to
agreed, if we are going to lose id rather go down swinging with our best d then watch us lose because we are lazy as frick in the half court
Posted by massiveattack
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:10 pm to
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Bama's Cooper was 4-5 from the 3pt. line and shoots 27% for the season. They were 8-16 for the game.



Generally, when you give D-1 major conference scholarship basketball players open looks, they make more than they miss
Posted by Zchlsu
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:13 pm to
I'm glad was next to alcohol while watching that game. I wish this years team played Defense like the 2006 team. They are so f'in lazy.
Posted by tigers32
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:16 pm to
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This team is flat out lazy in the half court D. That's on the coaching staff, as it's obvious there is no emphasis on that aspect of the game.

Right so the staff doesn't emphasize half-court defense in practice? I'm upset about the loss too, but spewing stuff like this does no good.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:21 pm to
well its true, we are lazy in the half court d. this has been a major problem this year. I think its time for a change in our d. We either press all game or go to a trapping 2-3 zone. we should try to put pressure on almost every possession. However I think we need to wait till after tuesday before doing that.
Posted by tigers32
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:27 pm to
We do have some problems with half-court defense particularly getting around screens. Our forwards have some problems finding who to guard after a screen or cut (see Bama's game-clinching 3-pointer). I don't disagree that our defense needs work.

If Johnny felt like we could press all game, then we'd press all game. It's not an easy thing to do. We haven't played a 2-3 zone very well either (this year or last).
Posted by Bryant91092
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:28 pm to
I'm gonna be honest with you, those are the most open looks I've seen Cooper/Hale get all year. Releford was never able to get free from 3 but that was the only guy tightly guarded.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:33 pm to
that is because johnny doesn't know how to use the bench. Bama is a dog shite team. we should have pushed the pace all game. Our bench wouldn't get abused from them if we have them under constant pressure.

I would bet that only uk,uf, mizzou and arky at home can make our bench look silly if we press all game. I wouldn't press uk or uf because they are too good. Mizzou and a home arky also present a problem but the rest of the league we need to use the bench in small spurts. I know odo, malone and ham aren't great but they can be useful if we are putting people under pressure.

I think a 2-3 zone we would be ok especially if we are trapping out of it. this team has a motivation issue and a iq issue. They seem to play better though when running the court so we have to find a way to do that.

Then in the offseason we need to become much better at the line and we need a s&c coach worth 2 fricks.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 10:34 pm
Posted by tigers32
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:35 pm to
Hale scored well tonight
Posted by Bryant91092
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:38 pm to
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Hale scored well tonight



The biggest mystery of our season has been why he didn't start getting minutes until the Xavier game. Had he played the first part of the year, I think this season would turn out differently. He's going to be a good one for us.
Posted by tigers32
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:40 pm to
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Bama is a dog shite team.

They're no slouch. They have talent.
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odo, malone

I don't think they'd excel in the press at this point in their careers.
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They seem to play better though when running the court so we have to find a way to do that.

Ultimately, this is what Jones wants out of his team. Alabama is a bad match-up for us because of their suffocating defense.
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we need a s&c coach

I agree.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:40 pm to
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Right so the staff doesn't emphasize half-court defense in practice? I'm upset about the loss too, but spewing stuff like this does no good.


Seeing how this isn't the first game this has been an issue what other conclusion can you draw? If it was an emphasis, it would have been fixed long before game 18
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:44 pm to
they aren't a good team and we should have never been down 19. They probably are better than their record shows and especially at home but losing to them with our talent is bad.

I didn't say they would excel but they are the back gate keeper so they should at least be able to get in the way. We don't need them to be stars, just give the starters a break.

bama does play a suffocating d but they also don't handle the press well and we knew that going on in but we didn't use the press correctly tonight. If we aren't going to try and press all game we need to learn how to use it in better spots. For example, after our first made basket, if we get up by say 8 or 9 then press to push it further and as soon as we get down by more than 6 go to the press. we waited until we were down 19 points

I really don't understand why we don't have a s&c guy.
Posted by tigers32
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:47 pm to
I think Ole Miss & Alabama screened well against us, and exposed a problem within our half-court defense. We've had trouble getting around screens all season. I think it's on the players more than the coaches. Saying the staff doesn't coach half-court D is ridiculous though.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:48 pm to
our inability to fight through screens is insane. the entire team needs to be in the gym all off season.

Posted by tigers32
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:50 pm to
I'm with you that there's no excuse to be down 19 against Alabama. As far as the press, I'm not sure Malone and Odo could do a great job protecting the rim in case of a press break. I'd say we used the press well tonight for the most part. It did bring us back into the game. Although I agree we waited too long before using it.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:54 pm to
That is where we disagree in good use of the press. Us waiting to long to deploy it was a bad use. We really should have deployed it when up 7-0 or when bama got up 15-9. Then we could do it in spurts. Hell we could even use our timeouts as a way to get our main 7 guys breathers so we can extend our press. We clearly don't use our timeouts for actual sets so why not use them as added media timeouts
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