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re: List of QB's signed in the Les Miles era
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Facts show he was the most successful coach in lsu history and was more successful than his predecessor
So was Charles McClendon, but no one in his right mind would claim he was better than Dietzel. Ditto for Miles and his predecessor at LSU. Both McClendon and Miles were set up by great coaches who preceded them, built the team into a powerhouse, then left unexpectedly. Both did pretty well for a while after inheriting a gold mine, and then both eventually started it going downhill and had to be forced out.
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
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So was Charles McClendon
1 conf title.
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Both McClendon and Miles were set up by great coaches who preceded them,
If lsu was so set up why did the greatest coach of our generation lose 3 games in year 5 of his tenure?
Also...
Saban's tenure at lsu= 16 losses 12 conf losses
The last 5 years of miles you love to bitch about=15 losses 12 conf losses
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Both did pretty well for a while after inheriting a gold mine
Miles inherited a program with 1 top 5 finish in almost 2 decades.
He inherited a program that lost less than 3 games 1 time.
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then both eventually started it going downhill and had to be forced out.
Saban's tenure= 3 top 16 finishes 2 10 win seasons
Miles last 5 years= 4 top 16 finishes 4 10 win seasons( yes im counting mcneese)
Miles was let go for not keeping lsu at standard HE SET not Saban.
You dont understand football if you think lsu was so set for titles in 2005.
The greatest coach of our generation had just lost 3 games and all but stopped recruiting. So much so that miles didnt even have a full class. We signed 13 players that class.
Ive never said miles was a better coach than saban at lsu. Just more successful
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The sec west becoming by far the most talent rich division in cfb. Lsu no longer could win games by having a great recruiter and great motivator that had questionable game day coaching.
So what you are saying is that Miles won strictly off talent alone right? If that's the case then it really wouldn't have mattered who the coach was as long as he has a team of good recruiters.
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The best coach of our generation with by far the most talent loses every year. So its not some huge failure for a lesser coach like miles to lose 2-3 games.
Miles is known far less for losing a few games than for being a complete and utter fool on the sidelines when crunch time came. He actually mouthed the words " what down is it" in a crucial part of a game. His elementary gameday management is why he is struggling landing a gig not his age.
Frank Solich
Rocky Long
Bob Toledo
Paul Pasqualoni
Snellenberger(sp)
Spurrier
Mcmackin
to name a few all landed gigs right around or over 60yrs old
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:32 pm to Nuts4LSU
You know what brother? Youre right miles sucked as a coach.
How he accomplished this at Oklahoma state is because of all those recruiting classes in the top 80's and 90's.
Just a coach that cant do anything unless he has program already built for him.
Saban come into a shite lsu program that dinardo left and had great success his 1st 3 years. Miles goes to a loaded Oklahoma state program with 1 winning season in 12 years and makes them respectable because OSU was already built.
How he accomplished this at Oklahoma state is because of all those recruiting classes in the top 80's and 90's.
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Oklahoma state wins before miles
89-4 wins
1990-4 wins
1991-0 wins
1992- 4 wins
1993- 3 wins
1994- 3 wins
1995- 4 wins
1996- 5 wins
1997-8 wins
1998-5 wins
1999-5 wins
2000-3 wins
Oklahoma State with miles
2001-4 wins
2002-8 wins
2003-9 wins
2004-7 wins
Just a coach that cant do anything unless he has program already built for him.
Saban come into a shite lsu program that dinardo left and had great success his 1st 3 years. Miles goes to a loaded Oklahoma state program with 1 winning season in 12 years and makes them respectable because OSU was already built.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I've seen it all now.
There really is somebody out there to defend anything and everything.
How could there exist a man who would defend Les Miles and his recruitment and development of the QB position?
Might I suggest Jewishdroppings.com where you could spend some time defending Hitler?
There really is somebody out there to defend anything and everything.
How could there exist a man who would defend Les Miles and his recruitment and development of the QB position?
Might I suggest Jewishdroppings.com where you could spend some time defending Hitler?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:37 pm to Howyouluhdat
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So what you are saying is that Miles won strictly off talent alone right? If that's the case then it really wouldn't have mattered who the coach was as long as he has a team of good recruiters.
I dont know if you know this or not but no cfb coach wins without talent. We have seen a nick saban coached sec team lose to mid major programs.
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Miles is known far less for losing a few games than for being a complete and utter fool on the sidelines when crunch time came.
You have no clue what youre talking about. There was such a huge backlash for us firing miles after 2015 because he is seen as an idiot. Do you posters actually believe that your opinion is somehow true? Youve talked to ADs and other head coaches?
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Frank Solich
Rocky Long
Bob Toledo
Paul Pasqualoni
Snellenberger(sp)
Spurrier
Mcmackin
to name a few all landed gigs right around or over 60yrs old
There is all of 2 coaches 63 or older with jobs at p5 programs and one is bill snyder. So no there arent all these 63 year old coaches getting major offers.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:38 pm to wahoocs
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How could there exist a man who would defend Les Miles and his recruitment and development of the QB position?
What? I have stated in this thread that his inability to project qb talent was one of his downfalls. All i said is that our qb play in his 11 years wasnt always terrible. Thats it. We had decent qb play in 5 of his 11 years. Eveyone agrees our qb development was by no means good.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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So was Charles McClendon
1 conf title.
Better winning percentage than Dietzel.
More top 10 finishes than Dietzel.
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If lsu was so set up why did the greatest coach of our generation lose 3 games in year 5 of his tenure?
Because he wasn't bad enough to lose five in his fourth year or four in his fifth year like your personal lord and savior did? Are you seriously saying that the 2004 season discredits Nick Saban? Look, I get that you are beyond freakishly obsessed with Les Miles. I understand. He's your hero. Maybe your God, for all I know. But what I don't understand is what in the Hell makes you think that pointing out any flaw in Nick Saban or Ed Orgeron somehow supports your arguments for Miles.
If Miles wasn't set up with a powerhouse team in his first year, then why were we ranked so highly in the preseason that year? If Saban didn't leave a roster full of NFL talent, what on earth made every sportswriter in the AP poll and every coach in the coaches' poll think we were a top 10 team, or at least close to it?
If Miles didn't inherit a powerhouse team, why did he do much better in his first three years than he did after that? Why did his record suddenly tail off to 8-5 and 9-4 in his fourth and fifth years? If there wasn't a powerhouse sitting there waiting for him and he had to build it himself, wouldn't he have been more likely to have the opposite trend?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There are 2 qbs that made a nfl roster on that list.
wow, Rick. I usually disagree with you but respect your factual posts. But this one is disingenuous.
Yes, you're correct that Russell Shepard made an NFL roster, but you conveniently left out that he made it ..... as a WR (actually, primarily as a special teams player)!!!
So your post was accurate, but your deliberate omission was misleading.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I dont know if you know this or not but no cfb coach wins without talent. We have seen a nick saban coached sec team lose to mid major programs.
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So what you are saying is that Miles won strictly off talent alone right
Did you read that at all??
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There is all of 2 coaches 63 or older with jobs at p5 programs and one is bill snyder. So no there arent all these 63 year old coaches getting major offers.
Not sure why you are hung up on the number 63 and yes I know that's how old Miles is. It's irrelevant whether it's P5 or not. Old coaches get hired all over the place all the time.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Saban come into a shite lsu program that dinardo left and had great success his 1st 3 years
He struggled at first. He went 8-4, 10-3 and 8-5 in his first three years. He went 7-6 in his first year at Alabama. He never won more than 7 games through his first four years at Michigan State. That's the way it usually goes when you have to build up a program that was down when you inherited it.
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You know what brother? Youre right miles sucked as a coach...
Just a coach that cant do anything unless he has program already built for him.
This is why you can't discuss Les Miles rationally. You are so emotionally invested that you just can't help getting carried away. I didn't say Miles sucked or that he can't do anything unless he has the program built for him. I said LSU was already built for him. What he did at Oklahoma State was his own doing. He took a shite program and made it respectable. Not elite. Not championship contender caliber. Respectable. Miles did a good job there.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:51 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Better winning percentage than Dietzel.
More top 10 finishes than Dietzel.
So not more titles then.
Are you under the impression that miles success and achievements at lsu are only win% and top 10 finishes?
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Because he wasn't bad enough to lose five in his fourth year or four in his fifth year like your personal lord and savior did
I love the rant. Posting facts about miles makes him my lord and savior.
If i said the earth revolves around the sun am i defending the sun or is it just reality?
You see this is the problem. You post your opinion of miles. I post FACTS about miles and you deem it defending.
Im sorry facts about miles tenure makes your opinion look ignorant.
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Are you seriously saying that the 2004 season discredits Nick Saban
Im saying if lsu was set to win titles the the greatest coach of our generation wouldnt lose 3 games in year 5. We all know Saban is the best coach lsu has ever had.
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But what I don't understand is what in the Hell makes you think that pointing out any flaw in Nick Saban or Ed Orgeron somehow supports your arguments for Miles.
And there it is. I post facts about miles tenure and its defending. I post facts about Saban's tenure and its pointing out flaws.
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Miles didn't inherit a powerhouse team, why did he do much better in his first three years than he did after that
Because the sec west turned into te most talent rich division in cfb.
During Saban's entire tenure at lsu he faced one other west team that would finish in the top 10( 2004 auburn).in 5 years that the only other west team that ever finished top 10.
2011-2015 6 different sec west programs ( some programs had multiple top 10 finishes) had top 10 finishes.
The sec west got stronger and lsu realized we couldnt win by just having an elite recruiter and great motivator that had questionable game day coaching.
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If Miles wasn't set up with a powerhouse team in his first year, then why were we ranked so highly in the preseason that year? If Saban didn't leave a roster full of NFL talent, what on earth made every sportswriter in the AP poll and every coach in the coaches' poll think we were a top 10 team, or at least close to it?
Are you under the impression that i think miles wasnt left with a bunch of talent?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:56 pm to Nuts4LSU
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This is why you can't discuss Les Miles rationally. You are so emotionally invested that you just can't help getting carried away
Lol. Yes im so emotionally invested that i use facts in argument. So emotionally invested that i wanted miles fired after 2015 and was pissed when he was brought back.
You think im invested because i post facts about miles tenure when posters say miles sucked or his tenure was underacheivement.
You cant be a bad coach and have one of the most successful tenures in sec history after 11 years. Its literally impossible. Anyone that says so doesnt understand football. Period.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:57 pm to atltiger6487
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So your post was accurate, but your deliberate omission was misleading.
Even his post wasn't accurate. He asked how many other head coaches had two "NFL QBs". An "NFL QB" is someone who played QB in the NFL, not someone who played QB in high school and then switched positions in college and went on to the NFL at the new position. I'm sure there are quite a few players in the NFL who played QB in high school, and I'm sure there are lots of coaches who have multiple former players who played QB in high school and went on to play (at some position) in the NFL.
And yes, his deliberate LIE (not "omission") was misleading. Rickdaddy simply cannot help himself. When the subject of Les Miles comes up, he literally goes insane with emotion and loses control of himself.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:57 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I said LSU was already built for him.
If lsu was already built, why did the greatest coach of our generation lose 3 games every year but once?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:59 pm to Nuts4LSU
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An "NFL QB" is someone who played QB in the NFL
Wait. So if youre a qb on a nfl roster youre not a nfl qb? Wow. Ill have to let all these nfl teams know that. My god.
If you make a nfl roster as a qb, youre a nfl qb. If you disagree, youre dumb.
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When the subject of Les Miles comes up, he literally goes insane with emotion and loses control of himself.
I lose control by posting facts. Facst about miles im defending. Facts about saban and im pointing out flaws. The hypocrisy is glorious.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If lsu was already built, why did the greatest coach of our generation lose 3 games every year but once?
Because it wasn't built in a day, just like it wasn't torn down in a day. It took a few years. Those first three years it was a work in progress, yet we still managed a 10-3 season and an SEC title in the second year. The fifth year you are just obviously being obtuse about, even though that fifth year was better than Miles fourth OR fifth year.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Wait. So if youre a qb on a nfl roster youre not a nfl qb?
Who on your list is a QB on a NFL roster other than Mett?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:02 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Damn, dude. You are still at this?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If you make a nfl roster as a qb, youre a nfl qb.
Who on your list other than Mett made an NFL roster as a QB?
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