re: Let's define "Positiger" and "Negatiger" going forward

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Well, ya see Jersey... LSU was 11-2 this season. Don't you think getting rid of a coach with an 11-2 record is a bit strange?

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In a vacuum, yes. But we don't operate in a vacuum. We are aware of facts. And those facts include the reality that it would have been stunningly easy for that "2" to have been a "4" this year. And I don't mean that in a "there's always a luck factor" way. I mean it in the "LSU was EXTREMELY lucky to have had the ball bounce their way" way.

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LSU has increased its win total the past two seasons. I think he deserves the spot now. What would he have to do in order to prove to you that he deserves to be the head coach at LSU?

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He would have to improve his process such that I was convinced that debacles like the end of the Tennessee game were basically impossible to emanate from his program.

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Is it more "how" we win rather than just simply winning for you? Are you looking for a particular style?

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It's never about "simply winning". It's about having a repeatable, rational process that is followed such that over time, the luck evens out and you are left with superior talent running superior schemes.

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and I think it's strange... because a lot of us are left scratching our heads -- wanting more yet not really wanting Miles to go. He does so many things so well, and then a few huge blunders pisses me off so much that an 11-2 season seems tainted somehow. That leaves me thinking that I'm fricked up in the head.

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Did you go to the UT game? I've talked to a lot of people that were there and they said after LSU won, it was the surliest, most pissed-off crowd they had ever scene in the wake of a win. No, you aren't fricked in the head (at least not because of this ).

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Did you go to the UT game? I've talked to a lot of people that were there and they said after LSU won, it was the surliest, most pissed-off crowd they had ever scene in the wake of a win. No, you aren't fricked in the head (at least not because of this ).

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I didn't go to that game, but I certainly felt the same way.

Nice Jersey, I agree. Les is a Great recruiter and a Good coach. I think if he doesn't get to Atlanta in the next two years he should be gone.

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not fired but i'd be very disappointed. 6 years running and only 1 SEC title. I expect a lot next year.
Getting wins by beating down inferior talented teams in Cotton, Peach, Gator Bowls does not cut it.

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Realistiger. That is exactly what is going to happen. Be in postion to go the distance and get beat when you should not. Everyone hangs thier hat on the 2007 NC but people forget we lost to two teams we where clearly better then and had to have so many things happen that never happened before and probably won't in our lifetime.

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Saban did this twice, Lost to Florida in 2003 could not score an Offensives TD and in 2002 Lost our QB to a injury b/c he kept him in the Ball game against Florida and the season went downhill from there.

So I think Miles can take us all the way and I don't care if we lose a game as long as we make it to the SEC CG and BCS NC.

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Saban did this twice, Lost to Florida in 2003 could not score an Offensives TD

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And STILL won a NC,

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and in 2002 Lost our QB to a injury b/c he kept him in the Ball game against Florida and the season went downhill from there.

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I agree with this, BUT won The NC the next year.

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So I think Miles can take us all the way

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Sure he can.

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and I don't care if we lose a game as long as we make it to the SEC CG and BCS NC.

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And if we don't its a FAIL??????

didn't read the thread, but the definitions haven't changed...both labels refer to the inability, or unwillingness, to be objective.

negatiger - every issue is the result of ineptitude, carelessness, laziness, negligence, goofy biases, stubbornness, etc. there is no ebb and flow to the game, everything is someone's fault because of one of the above reasons and they must be held accountable...since the talent is in place for blowouts most every game. The "ifs", "buts", "shoulda's" and "coulda's" are always negative, no exceptions. They believe the issues are systemic, and will never, ever change.

positiger - the staff did everything possible, but either the players didn't execute, the ref's screwed up, or the other team was just better. Nothing could have been done differently to prevent the outcome. The "ifs", "buts", "shoulda's" and "coulda's" are always positive, no exceptions.

In the middle you have the objective fans...who may at any point in time be optimistic or pessimistic about the near future, but they tend to have valid reasoning behind their beliefs, along with some set of criteria for moving their position the other way. For example, I am happy Les was retained, primarily because of the defensive staff we have in place, momentum in recruiting and an unknown on who the replacement would have been. There are a handful of candidates I would have been ecstatic about, and a boatload I would have been pissed about. On the other hand, the team will continue to be limited until the offensive woes, from both a schematic and execution standpoint, are fixed. I'm slightly pessimistic at this point, and would love to see Crowton replaced. I may shift more optimistic after spring if Mettenberger lives up to expectations.

Final thought...as Sean Connery said, "losers always whine about doing their best, winners go home and frick the prom queen". It really is all about winning.

frick all this name calling. Let's drop the posi and nega labels and discuss the frick ups and big wins.

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But at the time LSU played them, they were undefeated with that team on the field.

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The glaring issues were we blitzed UK maybe 3 times the whole game and go no pressure on qb....a week later SC sacked qb 8 times.

Chuck the truck ran roughshot all over them in 1st half and 2nd half he had maybe 3 carries or less.

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UK was largely taking the snap in the shotgun and firing quickly.

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True.....but the one thing all tiger fans learned last decade is that you have to affect the qb. We didn't. That damn NOLA kid killed us also