re: Let us talk Les Miles for a second....

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However using that as loyalty is absurd

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Debating the "loyalty" of a HC soon to have spent a decade at the same school given the fact 3 separate tries were made to hire him away is where the real absurdity can be found. imo

I dislike him for 2 reasons.

1. Threw his qb (JJ) under the bus after the Ole Miss blunder back in 2009. I'll never fully forgive that.

2. Too stubborn to use Michael Ford.

And as for the Alabama chatter... If you're not "scared" of Alabama, you probably aren't scared of anything. That's like not being afraid of Mike Tyson in a boxing match. Bama is the best right now. No argument otherwise.

if you put the beam down you might have clearer mind!

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Just sayin... Miles literally yelled and signaled at his QB to spike the ball, then proceeded to lie about and say he doesn't know who told him to do so. Says a lot about his character in my opinion.

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He gave JJ every chance in the world to succeed, I think Les is allowed one pass on giving JJ shite.

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And Ford could have won a Heisman trophy if Miles would have utilized his elite combination of agility/quickness/speed/power/burst

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What do you base this off of? His stellar NFL stats?

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What amazes me is the number of posters who have recently stated that Saban is an a-hole/bad parent/overbearing boor/chippy with the media/throws temper tantrums on the sidelines/yells at players/uncompromising perfectionist/etc. etc.

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I am one of the posters who stated that I don't like a coach throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines during games. It's not just Saban, it's any coach in my opinion, Muschamp, Pelini, Petrino. I don't care for that style of "coaching" and I didn't like it when Saban was prowling the LSU sidelines. Just my preference, but perhaps it doesn't bother you.

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hmmm...funny...I don't see Sabans name in there anywhere.

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thats my point. damn...some of you are dense

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I've never understood why people get so GD irate when Saban's name is mentioned. It's ridiculous.
CLM's record stands on its own merits....as ppl point out all the time. Why the insufferable insecurity???

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whats the point in mentioning the HC of bama everytime Miles' name is mentioned? get over it already

Les = Stability, in fact probably the most stable program in college football

I am not a fan of Les, but I hope he does well, because I love LSU. I could care less if I like the coach, I care about LSU. I think too many people associate love or hate for Miles with love or hate for LSU. There is a major difference. I didn't like Saban when he was at LSU as a person (he was a douche when I had to deal with him), but he won games and helped rebuild the program.

As for Miles, honestly, I think he's a man that has greatly benefited from the situation he got himself into here at LSU. I also think he's as stubborn as a mule and needs way too long to learn from mistakes and in many cases has yet to learn from them.

Simply put, Les is a guy that is a pretty good recruiter, and good at hiring when given enough chances, but is absolutely resistant to change until his hand is forced. He's very reactive and not very proactive at all. The 2006 season's offense showed this and his handling and firing of several coaches including Crowton and Studs showed this.

I think he gets a lot of undeserved hate, but I think others defend him when he doesn't deserve it, especially continually excusing his major issues.

He wins, fine, but his teams have shown they won't show up at times and look unprepared for the team ahead of them. This is directly a reflection of coaching when it consistently happens. The 2012 NC game honestly did him in for me as ever really liking the guy. It's not that LSU lost. It's that in that game, he showed me a coach who refuses to adjust and will watch his team sink and honestly seem like they gave up. For all the talk of how much guys love to play for him, I didn't see players willing to run through a wall for him that game. I saw players that gave up. That, combined with all his other gaffes, are how most will remember him IMO, whether fair or not.

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but is absolutely resistant to change until his hand is forced. He's very reactive and not very proactive at all.

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Is that why he pulled Lee in the game of the century?

Or why he fixed the co DC thing quickly?

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That, combined with all his other gaffes, are how most will remember him IMO, whether fair or not.

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Well at least you can acknowledge that it's not fair. Les has done more here than any other coach, and you choose to focus on the negative. Tells me all I need to know about you.

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I was expecting this kind of response, but whatever it's cool. No possible way it could have happened.

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If you knew about it, the media would have to.