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Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:21 pm to tigerfoot
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Look if he is going to keep dropping back, and back. No OL in the world can keep his arse protected. He basically runs scared right into the back of the pass protection. Then without looking downfield, he breaks for it. Too far from the original LOS to even make it back.
Obviously disagree. I'm not saying his pocket presence is the best, but many times that he drops back that far, he also ends up getting to the outside and eventually throws a pass. The problem is the OL letting multiple pass rushers inh almost every single play.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:22 pm to thanksjhester
Not from what I've seen. Jefferson puts more zip on the ball than Lee ever did.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:22 pm to Bunta
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Really? Is that why receivers have to slow down and turn around for some of his "deep" balls? Great arm.
you ask as if the only problem JL had last year was INTs he under and overthrew balls last season also (we don't have Drew Brees with only an interception problem like some try to make it seem)
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:23 pm to Tomm
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The QB position is not the main problem on offense to begin with. The OL line and the poor playcalling of Crowton.
There is a disconnect with the play calling at times, but the main problem with the play calling is the inability of JJ to execute what is being called and apparently his inability to execute other plays in the playbook. A lot of folks are griping about not "opening it up" but JJ has only made of couple of passes this season "right on the money" in stride where the receivers can make something happen. Most of the time it calls for heroic effort or stop a leap to try and get to one of JJ's passes. He is young and has time to develope his obvious athletic ability, but sometimes it's good to be on the sideline a series or two to catch up with the flow of the game. I have no problem with JL or RS getting some snaps and actually would like to see more of it....especially RS
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So, JJ can improve but JL cannot improve????? I repeat, JJ cannot run this offense. Change the offense, or change the personnel.
Lee is not going to get any faster or improve his mobility. And Lee proved he can't get away from pass rushers and also proved he panicked when pressured. Lee is the type of QB who looks decent at a QB camp but in a real game, it is too fast for him. He makes poor decisions, is not fast enough to evade pass rushers, and is not very accurate to begin with. Thanks but no thanks on Jarrett Lee at QB.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:26 pm to Tomm
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Lee is not going to get any faster or improve his mobility. And Lee proved he can't get away from pass rushers
You are talking about JJ here. Lee didn't take near the sacks JJ does. Lee has a quck release.
Your posts are hypocritical.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:27 pm to Tomm
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You know right that Jarrett Lee isn't a division 1-A talent right? Poor mobility...poor decision making...mediocre arm...no touch on his passes, etc.
FAIL
JL throws the deep ball with touch and accuracy. He also ran the option for positive plays last year. His problem, as JJ, was the ability to properly read the defense on the short to intermediate routes. JJ is abysmile running the option, cannot throw a pass to the flat, and is inable at this time to hit a receiver in stride. He will continue to improve with time, but every defence knows what he is able and unable to do and plays accordingly. Give someone else a series or two and see what happens.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:27 pm to Sammobile
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man i'm glad you didn't bring up the race card
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big, big problem! those words about race card are your words? players should play as a TEAM and not even be given any idea from staff or other members of the TEAM about race. If this is part of the problem, you will never see success in this sport at LSU. Then, who is going to pay the light bill, when the crowd is only TAF members and students sprinkled in with a few faithful?
If it was a problem in the past and JL isn't as good and a different kind of QB than JJ, then why did LSU win the "Cyrtal Ball" twice with mediocre (in your minds) players like Mauck and Flynn???
man i'm glad you didn't bring up the race card
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big, big problem! those words about race card are your words? players should play as a TEAM and not even be given any idea from staff or other members of the TEAM about race. If this is part of the problem, you will never see success in this sport at LSU. Then, who is going to pay the light bill, when the crowd is only TAF members and students sprinkled in with a few faithful?
If it was a problem in the past and JL isn't as good and a different kind of QB than JJ, then why did LSU win the "Cyrtal Ball" twice with mediocre (in your minds) players like Mauck and Flynn???
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:28 pm to lsuoldschool
Most of Jefferson's passes are on the money. For example, besides completing several passes at the end of the Georgia game, he had two perfect ones droppped....one by LaFell and one by Dickson.
To call for Lee or Shepard to come in to play QB is nonsense. Now if they can play OL, I would say bring them on. That is where the true offensive problem is.
To call for Lee or Shepard to come in to play QB is nonsense. Now if they can play OL, I would say bring them on. That is where the true offensive problem is.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You are talking about JJ here. Lee didn't take near the sacks JJ does. Lee has a quck release.
and JJJ doesn't throw as many picks they both have their weak points
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You are talking about JJ here. Lee didn't take near the sacks JJ does. Lee has a quck release. Your posts are hypocritical.
Noooo, you missed the point. I didn't say that Lee took sacks. What Lee did was to panic and throw the ball up for grabs which resulted in FEWER sacks and MORE INTs. My post is consistent and accurate with the facts.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:31 pm to Tomm
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Lee is not going to get any faster or improve his mobility. And Lee proved he can't get away from pass rushers and also proved he panicked when pressured. Lee is the type of QB who looks decent at a QB camp but in a real game, it is too fast for him. He makes poor decisions, is not fast enough to evade pass rushers, and is not very accurate to begin with. Thanks but no thanks on Jarrett Lee at QB.
YOU. ARE. A. frickING. MORON.
I never knew a QB in American Football HAS to be "fast" or "mobile" in order to be successful. Plus you act like JJ's decision making is on the level of fricking Tom Brady or something.
This post was edited on 10/11/09 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:31 pm to Tomm
Dude.... Have you ever seen either of them in person? Like at practice or pre game warmups. Lee has alot more zip on his passes, and he doesn't have a lazy delivery like Jefferson. You really need to accept the fact that Jefferson's arm isn't what Lee's is.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:32 pm to lsuoldschool
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JL throws the deep ball with touch and accuracy. He also ran the option for positive plays last year. His problem, as JJ, was the ability to properly read the defense on the short to intermediate routes. JJ is abysmile running the option, cannot throw a pass to the flat, and is inable at this time to hit a receiver in stride. He will continue to improve with time, but every defence knows what he is able and unable to do and plays accordingly. Give someone else a series or two and see what happens.
Oh, you mean LSU ran the option better LAST year when their OL was better. Let me write that down...what a surprise!!
Lee was inaccurate last year on every pass but the slant and the long pass...poor on screens...poor on flat passes...poor on the intermediate passes...poor judgement...lack of poise...poor mobility, etc.Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:33 pm to Sammobile
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and JJJ doesn't throw as many picks
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:34 pm to Tomm
Funny you mention throwing interceptions. I don't have the stats in front of me but if Jefferson was attempting as many passes as Lee did last year, his interception ratio would probably be as bad. I hope Lee gets a chance to redeem himself.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:34 pm to bdsco337
Guy, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Go out and buy a Football for Idiots book. You really need to start at the beginning!
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:34 pm to Tomm
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Oh, you mean LSU ran the option better LAST year when their OL was better. Let me write that down...what a surprise!! Lee was inaccurate last year on every pass but the slant and the long pass...poor on screens...poor on flat passes...poor on the intermediate passes...poor judgement...lack of poise...poor mobility, etc.
He was the 3rd string freshman qb at the begging of the 08 season. The entire offense was built around RP.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 1:35 pm to ShermanTxTiger
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Seems like we heard exactly the same thing with the name's reversed this time last year.
yep.
Les does not solve problems during the season. He waits until the season is over and then changes things.
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