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re: Les Miles to take the same path as Coker, Fulmer & Bowden

Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:34 am to
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
943 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:34 am to
"I thought he was a true Jr, but he is a RSJr, they signed him in 2006.
There is no doubt the RP thing hurt us, especially last year. But JJ has 13 starts now and I don't see much improvement. Maybe another off season/camp will be what he needs, but I'm not confident in these coaches developing him. While Saban not getting a QB in 04 hurt a little, he did get 2 in 03 that were redshirted, Miles didn't sign one in 2006 either and only 1 in 2007, Lee. I hope they get that corrected because terrible QB play was a big part of the demise at Miami and Florida State."
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Thanks for the correction about McElroy. But the point still remains that he had a lot more experience going in than a freshman. I agree with you about the need for good QB play. It does indeed look like we are stocking that position pretty well now. There's an article in Sports Illustrated this week about Texas QBs, including a list of the hot HS QBs in the state this year. Second name on the list is Zach Lee, who is committed to us. I think Jefferson will improve a lot next year. He showed flashes this year, especially late. Randy Rosetta has written several times in the Advocate that he thinks the offense might be too complicated for a young QB, and that might be at least part of the reason Jefferson has seemed to struggle at times. I still think that Jarrett Lee has potential if he isn't too scarred by what happened last year.
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"Thats the thing no one sees the iceberg until its too late. Who would have thought Tenn was heading down in 2000? They went 9-3 and 8-4 after winning the NC in 98. Not bad, you can't win it all every year right? 2001 they go 10-1, upset Fla in the Swamp to win the East, 1 game from going back to the NC Game. From that point they were good but not great. Its a tough pull to swallow when you've been to the top. It will be even more painful at LSU watching Bama build a powerhouse."
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You're right about UT, but one could cite other examples of coaches and programs that have had a year or two of subpar performance and then have rebounded. As someone pointed out, even Bear Bryant had a couple of mediocre years along the way. You're right; it's tough to fall a little once you've been on top, but everyone is going to experience that. In this day and age, I don't think any team is going to be able to dominate the college football world for a long period of time, especially in this league. There's just too much firepower: great coaches, great talent, etc., esp. in the West. As I wrote in my original post, as long as we are in the discussion of potential top teams in MOST years, we can look on ourselves as an elite program. That does not mean we're going to win a championship every year, but that should continue to be our goal every year. If that ceases to be the case, then yes, we've slipped and some changes will have to be made.
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 10:36 am
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:41 am to
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Coach Miles doesn't actually do anything but collect a paycheck doesn't mean they actually WTF they are talking about.



My grandma was calling for a timeout after the Ridley screen pass and she's been dead for 10 years.

Were you? Probably not!
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9778 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:46 am to
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Miles = Coker

Spot on...

Notice we have been saying Miles isnt worth the money for 2 years or longer...Things are happening to prove us right like losing SEC records and the Ole Miss debacle and idiots still believe he is a great coach because of what he did with Saban's players...amazing...
Posted by geaux99
Wamegeaux, KS
Member since Aug 2005
1598 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:47 am to
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Coker, Fulmer & Bowden




This is the biggest laugher. Bowden? Really? You would hope Les doesn't follow in his path. I can only guess you're 20 years old or younger for that comment. The only thing that Bowden, JoePa, and all the other great coaches that are but a shadow of their former self that slip into mediocrity is that they hold on too long.

But to try to paint Bowden into the same landscape as Miles is crazy.

There was no Florida State before Bobby Bowden. When he took over you could say the words Florida State in the same light as you could say North Texas today. He built that program on his own. Nobody went before Bowden to do anything at FSU. He won 2 NC's and dominated his conference every year.

Apples to Oranges, my friend, Apples to Oranges.
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:48 am to
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Les Miles to take the same path as Coker, Fulmer & Bowden

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Actuallly Miles reminds me of Bowden only in the fact that Miles is also a Manager and not a hands on coach.


Have you ever been to a LSU football practice? I assure you Coach Miles is a hands on coach. Just because some clueless internet geeks post here all day long that Coach Miles doesn't actually do anything but collect a paycheck doesn't mean they actually WTF they are talking about.

Good post. Over 90% of the post whores here have never played organized football. I'm amazed at the claims regarding who coaches and who doesn't as well as the wrong guys playing when none of these guys are at practice.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
75804 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:54 am to
I for one won't accept mediocrity and I certainly don't like Miles and staff's coaching techniques. Too much of a player's coach.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
60612 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 11:24 am to
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When he took over you could say the words Florida State in the same light as you could say North Texas today. He built that program on his own.


I believe he took over for Bill Peterson, a former LSU assistant.
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 11:25 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
60612 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 11:26 am to
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he is a great coach because of what he did with Saban's players...amazing...


Weak, but thanks for the analysis Mr. Finebaum.
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 11:27 am
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9778 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 12:38 pm to
dont ever put a quote like that next to my name again..The guy sucks and you'll be begging for a new coach next year if crowton doesnt leave...You may be begging for one even if we get a new coordinator...Fact is he is a overpaid mediocre coach, and I'm sure youll be happy with 7 wins every year...hell you were prob ok with Dinardo...
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 12:46 pm to
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Have you ever been to a LSU football practice? I assure you Coach Miles is a hands on coach. Just because some clueless internet geeks post here all day long that Coach Miles doesn't actually do anything but collect a paycheck doesn't mean they actually WTF they are talking about.


No I have not but my info is coming from a past O line player who has said that Stud sucks... practices no technique and the line will get no better on his watch. Now if a player who has had both Searrels and Stud says that and I know Miles was an O lineman when he played and the line did not get any better as the season progressed leaves me 2 choices. Miles doesnt know how to coach the O line or he is not hands on.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9778 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:06 pm to
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No I have not but my info is coming from a past O line player who has said that Stud sucks... practices no technique and the line will get no better on his watch. Now if a player who has had both Searrels and Stud says that and I know Miles was an O lineman when he played and the line did not get any better as the season progressed leaves me 2 choices. Miles doesnt know how to coach the O line or he is not hands on.

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