re: Les Miles may have a fear to overcome.

Perhaps the loss of so many players on D and the growing pains that will come with this might actually force Les to open up the offense some and help the healing process begin.

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Even with Lee's mistakes we had the 55th ranked offense. 2008 was all on the defense.

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Yes, but you're not factoring in the turnover machine that Lee was in 2008, plus how many of those turned into either direct points by virtue of pick sixes, or short fields because of them.

I never really blamed Lee for that...the kid wasn;t ready and Les and Corwton consistently asked him to do things that were just plain crazy. At times it was like watching a bower getting pummeled while his corner not only did not throw in the towel but consistently told him to quit being a pussy and get back into the fray.

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ouldnt wait to get him in the Bama game on the 5th play; when Lee was 2/2 for 19 yards and zero ints.

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That was Lee's game until he threw 2 picks. TWO. At that point, Les called it a day and sent JJ in to not turn the ball over and hope for the best. He didn't, LSU hung on and won. If you want to argue about whether or not Lee should have been handed the reigns back the next week, I'll invite you to hop in your way back machine and turn it back over a year at which point we can discuss that. But as to why Lee got pulled in the BAMA game, that was on Lee.

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Don't think many are going to argue that Miles didnt do the right thing in the first Bama game.

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I only bothered to type that out because the guy did just that.

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His actions afterwards were confusing as hell.

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I argued this plenty last year...not interested in doing that anymore. But at least that is an argument that can be made. Suggesting Lee should have been kept in after the 2 picks on the road at BAMA is just lunacy.

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That was Lee's game until he threw 2 picks. TWO. At that point, Les called it a day and sent JJ in to not turn the ball over and hope for the best.

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uh, no. Miles effed with Lee's head in that game

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LSU 1-10 L27 LSU drive start at 12:09 1st.
LSU 1-10 L27 Spencer Ware rush over right tackle for 5 yards to the LS32.
LSU 2-5 L32 Jarrett Lee sideline pass complete to Odell Beckham for 13 yards to the LS45, 1ST DOWN LS.
LSU 1-10 L45 Jarrett Lee LF pass complete to Rueben Randle for 6 yards to the UA49.
LSU 2-4 A49 Spencer Ware rush over left end for 3 yards to the UA46.
LSU 3-1 A46 Jo. Jefferson rush

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No reason for JJ with Ware averaging 4 yards per carry

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LSU 1-10 A48 LSU drive start at 12:46 2nd. Jo. Jefferson at QB.

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After the first int. And when did we see Lee again?

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LSU 1-10 L17 LSU drive start at 10:00 3rd. Jarett Lee at QB.

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Not for the 13 minutes of the 2nd half, sat through halftime, and then didnt start the 2nd half. Over an hour in real time. All because of 1 interception, his 2nd on the year. Miles got in his own QBs head. Too bad he didnt return the favor on Senior Day, the SECCG, or the BCS game.

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uh, no. Miles effed with Lee's head in that game

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Guys like you are hopeless on this topic. Even if Les had kept Lee in the entire game and it cost LSU the win, you'd have blamed Les for having JJ standing on the sidelines making poor Lee nervous about being pulled.

While it's likely Les wanted to pull Lee in favor of JJ (again, I spent the better part of 2011 arguing this...probably with your other name on here so I'm not interested in doing it in 2013) but it was Lee TWO picks which got him yanked in that game. There is no reason to think Lee was pulling out of that tailspin...other than the wishful kind of fanboys.

I'll leave you here...maybe Roger will argue with you since he seemed to think no sane person would argue such a thing.

The lee die hards on here all seem to think he was sensitive and so mentally fragile. I feel bad that people like league champs think he was such a mental case and couldn't handle getting benched like a man just like any other player in the country has to deal with.

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Nice try, but not really.

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Doesnt matter who the QB was. Lee hits the wide open Shep (probably for a TD), we still get a FG off of Mo's pick, and we still win in OT when Bama doesnt score.

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Yeah, that's all good if he doesnt continue to shite the bed and throw more picks in the game. Bottom line is JJ didn't turn the ball over. Lee was gift wrapping the ball. JJ "helped" lsu win just like every other player on the team. Are you so butt hurt to the point you can't recognize this?

why is it never brought up that JL and JJ were not the first choice in 08.
it was the great Andrew Hatch.

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Is this phrase now in the pumper handbook?

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JJ on the other hand "shite the bed" in the first half of the UGA game.

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No argument here.

Both were not good qb's. some liked one more than the other.

But you seem to be trying to get into an argument about "fair" playing time. This is big time college football. I'm not concerned with "fairness" and the mental state of qb's like some are.

We were discussing the regular season bama game performance. If anyone thinks lee was looking like someone about to stop turning the ball over and lead the team to victory, then they are just being revisionists. I was at the game in Alabama. He just didnt have it that night. Jj didn't play lights out or anything but he helped us win. That's it.