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re: Les Miles Audio on QB controversy...
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:49 am to LSUdm21
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:49 am to LSUdm21
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clear the week before we're going to need BOTH QBs in big games.
we needed JJ to run the option against Bama. don't make the mistake of forgetting that Lee has won many big games for LSU in his career. He has helped win many of those in spite of how poorly JJ has played.
In fact, the only big game that JJ played well in was Bama last year. And, we still needed Lee to come in and seal the deal when JJ got hurt. So, you could say the opposite is true.
Lee has proven he can win big games by himself. And, JJ has proven that he can play well enough to win, but usually needs Lee to come in and win big games for him.
We will use both QBs from here on out. And, we might even use JJ more than Lee. But, assuming Lee does not get hurt, we do not need JJ to win any games from here on out.
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:52 am to TIGRESSFAN
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One thing I've noticed: pre Alabama Miles was really enjoying himself and was very loose. This seems to have changed. In the audio he is overly defensive. Also, during "Lunch with Les" there was absolutely no joking...it was even edgy. I don't think he is all that comfortable with the way he handled the qb situation for WKU
TIGRESS-that is an astute observation. I noticed the same thing as well. I would also say that up until the point you noted, Les was a lot more relaxed this year than he ever was last year, and I get to see him off the grid a good bit. So, is the tension the building pressure of being #1 every week or the QB situation. Anyone that says it is a non-issue is whistling in the dark.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:53 am to hashtag
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we needed JJ to run the option against Bama. don't make the mistake of forgetting that Lee has won many big games for LSU in his career. He has helped win many of those in spite of how poorly JJ has played.
In fact, the only big game that JJ played well in was Bama last year. And, we still needed Lee to come in and seal the deal when JJ got hurt. So, you could say the opposite is true.
Lee has proven he can win big games by himself. And, JJ has proven that he can play well enough to win, but usually needs Lee to come in and win big games for him.
We will use both QBs from here on out. And, we might even use JJ more than Lee. But, assuming Lee does not get hurt, we do not need JJ to win any games from here on ou
So what you're saying is we'll still need BOTH QBs, got it.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:01 am to LSUdm21
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So what you're saying is we'll still need BOTH QBs, got it
nope. don't need JJ.
Lee has proven that he is the best QB on this team. He has lead this team to victories in really big games. And, our offense has been better with Lee at the helm in 2008 and this year. IMO, we won't face another team this year like Bama that will make JJ's services needed.
We could bench JJ for the rest of the year and still win the NC. Is that clear enough for you?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:33 am to Moots
I was really pissed at that caller. Who the frick does he think he is?
Pretend to be polite, but actually kick our head coach in the nuts right off the bat in his own show. If the caller had any balls, he wouldn't have camouflauged what he was trying to say ... "Jarrett Lee needs to be starting/playing, and I disagree with your decision." Because that's the point the caller was trying to make, and he did a big run-around with his failed attempt at being polite and supposedly being some "huge LSU fan."
Regardless, Coach Miles doesn't owe any fan an explanation of why he makes the decisions he is making, MUCH LESS a fan that is obviously disagreeing (in a very public manner) with the decisions that Miles is making.
Don't call yourself an LSU fan, and then punch our head coach in the gut in a very public manner. That aint cool.
And on top of all this, the reason Jarrett Lee didn't start/play was because he was in trouble, so this whole conversation is pretty much moot anyway. So basically this caller stirs up drama where there is none! I hope he feels good about himself....real big LSU fan there.
Pretend to be polite, but actually kick our head coach in the nuts right off the bat in his own show. If the caller had any balls, he wouldn't have camouflauged what he was trying to say ... "Jarrett Lee needs to be starting/playing, and I disagree with your decision." Because that's the point the caller was trying to make, and he did a big run-around with his failed attempt at being polite and supposedly being some "huge LSU fan."
Regardless, Coach Miles doesn't owe any fan an explanation of why he makes the decisions he is making, MUCH LESS a fan that is obviously disagreeing (in a very public manner) with the decisions that Miles is making.
Don't call yourself an LSU fan, and then punch our head coach in the gut in a very public manner. That aint cool.
And on top of all this, the reason Jarrett Lee didn't start/play was because he was in trouble, so this whole conversation is pretty much moot anyway. So basically this caller stirs up drama where there is none! I hope he feels good about himself....real big LSU fan there.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:34 am to hashtag
So which one is better then?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:35 am to JPLSU1981
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I was really pissed at that caller. Who the frick does he think he is?
Pretend to be polite, but actually kick our head coach in the nuts right off the bat in his own show. If the caller had any balls, he wouldn't have camouflauged what he was trying to say ... "Jarrett Lee needs to be starting/playing, and I disagree with your decision." Because that's the point the caller was trying to make, and he did a big run-around with his failed attempt at being polite and supposedly being some "huge LSU fan."
Regardless, Coach Miles doesn't owe any fan an explanation of why he makes the decisions he is making, MUCH LESS a fan that is obviously disagreeing (in a very public manner) with the decisions that Miles is making.
Don't call yourself an LSU fan, and then punch our head coach in the gut in a very public manner. That aint cool.
And on top of all this, the reason Jarrett Lee didn't start/play was because he was in trouble, so this whole conversation is pretty much moot anyway. So basically this caller stirs up drama where there is none! I hope he feels good about himself....real big LSU fan there.
meh. Miles is a grown man. And, he's proven he can handle himself. I had no problem with the caller. Just like I had no problem when people were calling in last year and asking if Jefferson had photos of him.
Miles is a public figure. When you make questionable decisions, people will question it. If Miles doesn't like it, he needs another line of work.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:39 am to hashtag
You do realize JJ has a higher qb rating over his career than lee does, right?
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 10:41 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:01 am to hashtag
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nope. don't need JJ.
Lee has proven that he is the best QB on this team. He has lead this team to victories in really big games. And, our offense has been better with Lee at the helm in 2008 and this year. IMO, we won't face another team this year like Bama that will make JJ's services needed.
We could bench JJ for the rest of the year and still win the NC. Is that clear enough for you?
Just like in the Bama game right?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:23 am to Choctaw
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why would Miles treat Lee like shite...why? give one good reason why he would just frick him over.
Because he loves JJ, duh. Easy answer.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:42 am to LSUdm21
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Just like in the Bama game right?
are you freakin' stupid? I said we won't face another team like Bama. I acknowledge that JJ coming in that game helped us win.
Barring LSU getting promoted to the NFL, we won't play another defense that will challenge us like that. Therefore, we won't need JJ to win another game.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:44 am to hashtag
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are you freakin' stupid? I said we won't face another team like Bama. I acknowledge that JJ coming in that game helped us win.
Barring LSU getting promoted to the NFL, we won't play another defense that will challenge us like that. Therefore, we won't need JJ to win another game
When you say this in your head does this honestly make sense to you. Next year we should only play Rivers and let Mett come in when we play the good defenses.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:57 am to EarthwormJim
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When you say this in your head does this honestly make sense to you. Next year we should only play Rivers and let Mett come in when we play the good defenses.
Does you really think that JJ having minor success running the option against Bama makes him a better QB than the guy who has led wins against #3 Oregon, #25 MSU, #16 WVU, #17 Florida, # 18 Auburn.
Lee has thrown for 1289 yards, 14 TDs, 3 INTs, 4 sacks for 32 yards in 10 games. He has ran for 15 yards and 0 TDs.
Jefferson has thrown for 358 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 6 sacks for 23 yards in 5 games. He has ran for 174 yards and 2 TDs.
Jefferson threw for 67 yards and ran for 46 against Bama. He accounted for 0 TDs in that game. Is that really enough to completely throw away the entire season of work that Lee has and say that Jefferson is better?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:58 am to hashtag
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are you freakin' stupid? I said we won't face another team like Bama. I acknowledge that JJ coming in that game helped us win.
Barring LSU getting promoted to the NFL, we won't play another defense that will challenge us like that. Therefore, we won't need JJ to win another game.
You're way too emotionally involved man. You need to relax.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:00 pm to hashtag
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Lee has proven that he is the best QB on this team. He has lead this team to victories in really big games. And, our offense has been better with Lee at the helm in 2008 and this year. IMO, we won't face another team this year like Bama that will make JJ's services needed
Really?
Name one.
The guy has been at LSU for 4 years now...what's his best drive against a legit top tier team at a meaningful point in the game?
I'm not talking about a fringe top-25 team, or teams like UF and Tenn last year that we let hang around for too long, I mean a legit title contender.
He was 10-22 for 98 yards against an ok Oregon D.
He was 3-7 for 24 yards and 2 INTS against Bama.
He had the ball down 7 against Auburn 2010 and went 4 and out.
He had the ball for all 3 4th quarter drives at Alabama 2009, with a lead, and went 3 and out, 3 and out, and 4 and INT.
And even though 2008 is ancient history and there's no point in rehashing it, let's just say he didn't get it done against the contenders that year either...
There's one nice third down conversion against Bama in 2010 that didn't lead to points but was definitely important, and thats about it.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:01 pm to LSUdm21
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You're way too emotionally involved man. You need to relax.
no, your response was stupid. I mentioned that we won't need JJ because we won't play Bama again. Your response:
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like the bama game?
does that really make any sense to you?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:04 pm to hashtag
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no, your response was stupid. I mentioned that we won't need JJ because we won't play Bama again. Your response:
Ok, what if Lee catches the pick-bug again? UGA runs the same type of defense that Bama does minus all the beasts. That 3-4 has always given Lee fits because he doesn't see the middle of the field too well for some reason. We very well may need JJ to come in the SECCG if everything plays out like we hope. I'd rather we get there with both guns loaded over getting all pissy because of personal feeling about a college QB.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:19 pm to deSandman
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The guy has been at LSU for 4 years now...what's his best drive against a legit top tier team at a meaningful point in the game?
I'm not talking about a fringe top-25 team, or teams like UF and Tenn last year that we let hang around for too long, I mean a legit title contender.
He was 10-22 for 98 yards against an ok Oregon D.
He was 3-7 for 24 yards and 2 INTS against Bama.
He had the ball down 7 against Auburn 2010 and went 4 and out.
He had the ball for all 3 4th quarter drives at Alabama 2009, with a lead, and went 3 and out, 3 and out, and 4 and INT.
And even though 2008 is ancient history and there's no point in rehashing it, let's just say he didn't get it done against the contenders that year either...
There's one nice third down conversion against Bama in 2010 that didn't lead to points but was definitely important, and thats about it.
2008
#10 Auburn on the road
2010
Tennessee
#14 Florida on the road
2011
#3 Oregon neutral site
#25 MSU on the road
#16 WVU on the road
#17 Florida
#19 Auburn
you might not recognize these wins as big games. But, that would be because you are an idiot.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:20 pm to LSUdm21
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That 3-4 has always given Lee fits because he doesn't see the middle of the field too well for some reason.
then we run the ball and throw the ball towards the sidelines and run screens. You know, the stuff we've done all year. We very rarely throw the ball down the middle of the field anyway.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:32 pm to hashtag
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2008
#10 Auburn on the road
Didn't make a bowl
2010
Tennessee
Didn't make a bowl
#14 Florida on the road
5 loss team
2011
#3 Oregon neutral site
10-22 for 98 yards
#25 MSU on the road
5 loss (and counting) team
#16 WVU on the road
3 loss (and counting) Big East team
#17 Florida
5 loss (and counting) team
#19 Auburn
4 loss (and 1 more sure loss) team
Why it's a regular murderer's row....
Lee ranges from ok to awesome against average to below average teams and ok to very bad against above average teams.
Giving me a list of .500 teams that he had a couple of good drives against isn't going to convince me otherwise.
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