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re: Les Miles, and Jordan Jefferson

Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:45 am to
Posted by pmoney1245
Member since Nov 2009
217 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:45 am to
10 wins is impressive, but you have to take everything in with expectations.

What games has Les Miles won in the last two years that he WASN'T SUPPOSED TO?

He relies on superior talent to bail him out. We won't be elite with Les.
Posted by floridatiger2
Member since Sep 2006
620 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:46 am to
who's available that could do better!

Posted by Come2Conquer
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
4794 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:46 am to
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I don't understand the criticism of JJ either. The kid will only get better.



Seriously?

Look, plenty of criticisms about his mechanics/awareness are valid. But we've gotten to the point where "fans" are criticizing his FACIAL EXPRESSIONS. Do you really think these "fans" give a shite whether he does well or not?
Posted by pmoney1245
Member since Nov 2009
217 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:48 am to
Jefferson's mechanics are still very poor.

-Doesn't put enough air on his deep throws

-Cannot throw a screen pass consistently

-Cannot pick up blitzes and audbile to the correct play
Posted by Come2Conquer
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
4794 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:54 am to
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Jefferson's mechanics are still very poor.

-Doesn't put enough air on his deep throws

-Cannot throw a screen pass consistently

-Cannot pick up blitzes and audbile to the correct play


-I dunno'. He actually overthrew on the deep ball the other night. When he throws off of his back foot, which is a problem, he usually underthrows the ball.

-I have literally never heard this criticism of it. We've not thrown a lot of screens this year, but the ones that I remember he completed.

-I agree with this, but only in the sense that we assume he's given leeway to audible at the line.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/30/09 at 7:06 am to
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What games has Les Miles won in the last two years that he WASN'T SUPPOSED TO?


UGA, and don't spout off any of that hindsight crap. We were not supposed to win that game.
Posted by BuzBomb
Powder Springs, Georgia
Member since Sep 2007
371 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 7:17 am to
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He relies on superior talent to bail him out. We won't be elite with Les.


Really! Name me a coach that doesn't rely on superior talent to bail them out when their game plan and preparation goes to crap in a hurry. Look, I'm not defending Miles and his staff for the OLE MISS debacle. However, it amazes me that everyone forgets that the TIGERS under Saban in 2002 and 2004 underperformed after stepping up in 2001 and 2003 respectively. Put a cork in it!

Buz
Posted by msbargas
Ponte vedra beach FL
Member since Sep 2009
727 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 7:23 am to

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You can parse, literally, nothing from his facial expressions. It's not science, it's not art. It's projecting what you think is going on in his mind, which is quack theory at best.

"I don't like his facial expressions."

With fans like that, how's the guy ever gonna' do right?



Some people might prefer that he jump around saying "I told you so" the way Ryan Mallett did after his "winning" TD.

The bottom line is performance on the field. Both extroverts and introverts are equally capable of performing well and providing leadership on the field.
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 7:30 am to
Time will tell on Jordan Jeff. He definitely did a better job taking care of the football than JLee. Miles is 1-5 against Bama, Arkansas and Ole Miss the last 2 years. That is obviously not good enough versus the West. Since Saban has come in and had a couple of years Les has not proven he can stop Bama's domination of the SEC West. Time will tell. I don't see Saban or any of the West teams getting worse as far as the totality of their programs. 2010 schedule is very difficult as well.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 7:54 am to
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Jefferson can not read defenses nor can he find alternate receivers. He holds the ball too long because he zeroes in on his primary receiver and waits for him to get open



at how much your life must suck.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 8:37 am to
quote:

We can leave the game any time we feel like it.


That's very true. But next time you overhear someone say, "man, that Tiger Stadium, huh?! What a hornet's nest!" -- you respond, "Nah, it's overrated ... people frickin' leave at halftime b/c the temp dropped to a frigid 50 degrees."
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 8:40 am to
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Les Miles: I am embarrassed for becoming a negatiger, if even for a brief time, in the minutes following the Old Miss debacle ... I mean, that was SO badly handled, obviously. But when you look at Miles' record over 5 yrs -- 50-14 ... I mean, that's an average of 10 wins a year over a 5 year period. That's unprecedented in LSU history. Win the bowl game and it's another 10 win season.


8-8 in SEC play with his own recruits.

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Jordan Jefferson: I am mystified by the criticism of him. He completes a high percentage of his passes, runs well, and has led last minute scoring drives ag. Georgia and now Arkansas ... compare him to any other LSU QB at this stage of his career, and he fares very well in the comparison.


He takes a lot of sacks instead of throwing the ball away(which helps that completion %) and he also gets bailed out a bit by our receivers.

I honestly think he's good just needs a real QB coach.

quote:


I think it's time for people to just STFU ... if they're a fan, then be a fan and support the team ... go to the games, yell, stay in your seat for the entire game.


Or I can try to make the program better by getting Les fired. Aren't fans supposed to want the best?

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(I could NOT believe people left the Ark. game w/ 3 minutes left. Especially the east sideline seats ... who the f$(k ARE those wussies?


How about you worry about yourself and let people do what the frick they want?
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 8:47 am to
quote:

10 wins is impressive


Yes, and you should have stopped right there with impressive.

Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 9:19 am to
bleaux me
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 9:31 am to
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Really. It matters. Especially from the QB. Go read the post game comments of P. Manning yesterday to the effect of we don't get down, we don't show emotion, we don't throw helmets, we put the series behind us and move on the next one. Check out R. Wayne's comments as well.


Didn't see the post game, but I watched the whole game yesterday. Peyton Manning definitely does not have a poker face. I saw him cringe and sulk after his first pick. I also remember seeing him yelling at his receivers after dropped passes in the Super Bowl a few years ago. Of course, I'm not criticizing that. I think it shows that he gives a damn and wants everyone (himself included) to do their level best.

So, it's interesting that you'd bring him up. Brady, Eli Manning, and a few others that I can think of really do keep their cool well.
Posted by jesterJ
Near the Northern Lights
Member since Nov 2009
892 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 9:35 am to
I am not bleauxing anyone! But where there is smoke, there was/is fire!

To the real subject matter:

One thing that L.M. and J.J. do have in common; they both have a mysterious fog or light air under their head piece that they wear during games. Below are just a few observations that I saw as I watched and read from what was took place during games this past season.

I did read an article y/day in the USA-Today were L.M. had a cyst removed from his brain while he was at OSU. I ragged the man out without really knowing this! But then again, we have to give it to him; after he beat the 0hi0 St., for the BCS in 2007, the LSU brass wrote him a new contract because of N.S. move at Al Bama. L.M. was smart enough to sign the $4 Million deal and get out the door quickly. Only sad thing is maybe he does have trouble thinking quickly during pressure situations and football at the SEC level today is very pressure situations. Maybe (conjecture) the LSU brass that wrote that contract should have had L.M. take a physical, some test then that would have validated that he can't think very quickly when in those pressured situations? He sure isn't the greatest orator when being interviewed or during his shows. In fact his language is garbled and he is very evasive. He did say one glaring thing before the season; this is the best O.L. that I've had since I've been the H.C. at LSU. Well, we all see how those words were eaten for the most part during this past season. Too much well, we are going to get better, we have the want, etc. You all get my point? for the H.C. and his staff: Caeci caecos ducentes.

J.J. on the other hand is a very young and an athletic looking Q.B. but he is slow to make reads and proper throws, vast amounts of time when he plays. Yea, we can state his stats bail him out! He stares down one receiver, he doesn't see the whole field and he is a tall kid? He can't make the long throw with a wide open receivers on regular basis of a good Q.B. He shows an emotion when he is sacked that it is. hey it is my lines fault (most of time it isn't). He doesn't have very good peripheral vision or he is too slow in the head to make a quick decision viewing all his receivers (tunnel vision). He may worry about a bit too much about his personal stats (interceptions in particular; seeing what happened to J.L. last season and the way the fan base and coaches handled that situation). I've seen him strong arm throws to players who are in position to make catches that would have created significant gains; and 95% of those passes or off target. I could go on and on! Bottom line, most of these mistakes he made, maybe he could have been coached up by his coaches and he would have improved on those little things that would have given him more confidence and would have made him a better team general. That is what a Q.B. on the O. side of the ball is suppose to be, right? For J.J.: Amat victoria curam.

To the LSU staff and game management: Age quod agis.

I'm no coach at that level, just being objective and if I hurt any or your feelings out their with my opinion; your problem, not mine. For myself and other objective LSU fans: Cogitationis poenam nemo patitur.

For all of us fans, coaches and players: Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
Posted by Tommy Patel
Member since Apr 2006
7558 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 9:45 am to
I should have not dispaired, I'm a Dick

Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Les Miles, and Jordan Jefferson
Jefferson's mechanics are still very poor.

-Doesn't put enough air on his deep throws

-Cannot throw a screen pass consistently

-Cannot pick up blitzes and audbile to the correct play

Agreed and due to inexperience,he holds the ball too long.
Of course,Miles did better with JJ than Stoops did with Jones or Carroll did with Barkley.
Posted by msbargas
Ponte vedra beach FL
Member since Sep 2009
727 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 9:53 am to
Don't expect everyone to understand your Latin:


quote:

To the LSU staff and game management: Age quod agis.

I'm no coach at that level, just being objective and if I hurt any or your feelings out their with my opinion; your problem, not mine. For myself and other objective LSU fans: Cogitationis poenam nemo patitur.

For all of us fans, coaches and players: Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.



As you probably know, education in the Classics has declined steadily since the 18th century

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This post was edited on 11/30/09 at 10:02 am
Posted by jesterJ
Near the Northern Lights
Member since Nov 2009
892 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:07 am to
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As you probably know, education in the Classics has declined steadily since the 18th century


Well, if you prefer ebonics go far it! I am always looking for ways to improve my personal brain power; I don't mean to offend you, if you think differently. And, I wonder why it is taught as a four year course at LSU?
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