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re: Lee is fine for the title game
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:02 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:02 pm to CptBengal
quote:Dude, you are the one who calls anyone who doesn't think Lee is better than Aaron Rodgers or JJ should have been convicted of murder is a fanboy.
all who do not agree with your worthless opinion are clowns?
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:04 pm to geauxgeebs
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That's because he usually hits the ground.
Still better than an interception
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:10 pm to ellessuuuu
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It is amazing how the morons who think JJ hung the moon try to pretend like JL played the first 8 games like he played in 08. It is funny how over the last four games (and all of last year) the overwhelming theme is "LSU wins despite QB play," don't recall hearing that through the first eight games
There is so much bullshite in this paragraph. Lee played well in the first 7 games. He had plenty of games that were turned around by defense and special teams and relied heavily on the running game. Oregon, Kentucky, Alabama, MSU games were all won by our defense or sparked by big plays on special teams.
JJ's 3 game stretch before the Georgia game was our best offensive production of the season. None of those games were won "despite the QB play."
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I think JL was the better QB last year following the UT and UF games, and I think, as a full body of work, he has shown to be the better QB this year. Les doesn't like to throw the ball, so he is going to play the guy that is a stronger runner; however, based on production this year, I think it is a mistake to exclusively play JJ. I'm a fan, I'm entitled to an opinion, I know that upsets some of you, but get over it.
Of course you would think Lee's body of work is better because you completely disregarded JJ's good performances this year while forgetting about Lee's bad/mediocre games.
And yes you are entitled to your opinion, but that doesnt make it right. I'm going to go ahead and trust our coach of the year's QB evaluation.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:15 pm to NaturalBeam
where is TigerLEE up in this bitch
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:19 pm to ellessuuuu
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4. Ware has lost time to players that are CLEARLY out performing him. 5/15 for 30 yds by JJ is not out performing JL.
Based on what? I saw him come in and basically provide us with a win against Bama that I think Lee could not have pulled out.
Over the last few weeks, it has seemed very obvious that Bama was the likely opponent we would have to face in the BCS championship. Jefferson missed several weeks of practice, and has never been overly consistent, but would seem to be the best choice to play vs Bama IF he's playing well.
So, as coach, wouldn't you do ALL you could to give him whatever he needed to have him in the best possible situation should we have to play Bama again? I would. And that would mean game reps. Yes, go out and frick it all up and get yourself out of the mess. We will need you in the BCSCG.
Only issue with this would be if we were risking losing. Which game after Bama did we squeak out? WKU? SECCG?
The coach is being a good coach. This aint freakin T-Ball.
And FWIW, I'm a Lee fan. I just don't think he's the ticket vs Bama-- didn't before Nov and still don't. If I was Les, I would have done it just this way. Lee had a ton of game time this year. Now JJ has also. We are going to be READY.
Too bad some fans are too worried about who gets the credit.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:19 pm to EarthwormJim
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I'm going to go ahead and trust our coach of the year's QB evaluation.
All we can do.
But there are instances of the fans thinking one guy was better than the guy Miles played in which you could argue they were right based on what transpired. But that's not to say Miles didn't have another very valid reason for making the decision he made.
Its just debate. This board would have 2 posts if everyone just said "I'll go with Miles on this one".
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:24 pm to Camp Randall
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No you are a clown because of the constant drumbeat of posts about Lee and Jefferson. Over and Over and Over.
wanna see how many of the threads about JJ/JL you posted in?
are you the kettle or the pot?
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:25 pm to Louie T
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Dude, you are the one who calls anyone who doesn't think Lee is better than Aaron Rodgers or JJ
obvious absurd statement is obviously absurd.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:28 pm to CptBengal
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all who do not agree with your worthless opinion are clowns?
odd....wanna bump some of your other JL's gonna be ineligible threads?
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CptBengal
^^^^^^^
From the guy who stated as that "JJ would never play another down in an LSU uniform. FACT."
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:28 pm to CptBengal
Two More: Would you rather have JL starting v. Bama, given what you know about Bama's strength's and weakness and JJs strengths and weaknesses?
If so, would you have wanted Hilliard to be the lone ball carrier (I know you don't have to make that choice, but a hypothetical is just for amusement) in this game if he had given up two fumbles in back-to-back carries v. Bama?
I know you are going to answer in any way that is most favorable for you so this exercise is essentially futile.
For the record: I'm not in either corner for this QB debate, I just think it is idiotic to coddle one player and jump on the other's back when neither is clearly better than the other...that and I love the responses, on both sides, in this thread.
If so, would you have wanted Hilliard to be the lone ball carrier (I know you don't have to make that choice, but a hypothetical is just for amusement) in this game if he had given up two fumbles in back-to-back carries v. Bama?
I know you are going to answer in any way that is most favorable for you so this exercise is essentially futile.
For the record: I'm not in either corner for this QB debate, I just think it is idiotic to coddle one player and jump on the other's back when neither is clearly better than the other...that and I love the responses, on both sides, in this thread.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:30 pm to Statestreet
quote:And he's calling other people out for being wrong
From the guy who stated as that "JJ would never play another down in an LSU uniform. FACT."
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:31 pm to CptBengal
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wanna see how many of the threads about JJ/JL you posted in?
are you the kettle or the pot?
I've posted in a lot of them because the neverending, whining, bitching, moaning, and crying about it from some fans pisses me off. There are a lot of players on the team. Because one that I like isn't getting playing time wouldn't ruin the season for me.
edit: I'll also say I don't care who they trot out to play the position. If the game plan calls for Lee to get the majority of the action and we throw the ball around I won't complain one bit. If Jefferson comes out and we run the ball like crazy, that's cool too. I get the feeling you don't feel the same way.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:32 pm to EarthwormJim
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JJ's 3 game stretch before the Georgia game was our best offensive production of the season
That was must have been tough putting up numbers on Ole Miss, WKU and Arkansas (who has a very weak SEC defense). Really picked the meat of our schedule to draw the comparison. What happened to JJ when he played a solid defense in UGA, it was pretty ugly.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:37 pm to Camp Randall
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I've posted in a lot of them because the neverending, whining, bitching, moaning, and crying about it from some fans pisses me off.
Thank god, you're selfless posting has saved the interwebz!!11!!!!!1!1
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Because one that I like isn't getting playing time wouldn't ruin the season for me.
I don't know for who it has. I had a blast cheering the team on in the ATL and will doubly enjoy doing the same in the Superdome.
your use of the strawman is predictable and pathetic.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:37 pm to ellessuuuu
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That was must have been tough putting up numbers on Ole Miss, WKU and Arkansas (who has a very weak SEC defense). Really picked the meat of our schedule to draw the comparison. What happened to JJ when he played a solid defense in UGA, it was pretty ugly
Oh I forgot about all those juggarnaut defenses Lee played against. What happened to Lee when he played a solid defense in Bama?
Now please tell me how else we are suppose to make a comparison since we can only use 1 JJ game.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:38 pm to MandevilleLSUTiger
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Its just debate. This board would have 2 posts if everyone just said "I'll go with Miles on this one".
Nothing against a "good" debate...
However, at some point it's time to stop! :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
I dare say there is no angle, opinion, or observation about the JJ/JL issue that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam on this board.
I'm sure there were some great debates back in the day as to whether or not the world was flat. However, at some point common facts have to be accepted and "reasonable" people realize it's time to move on and there is nothing left to debate.
Reasonable people now realize...For whatever reason, CLM has decided that JJ is his starting QB.
Everything else is really irrelevant.
It's time to move on....
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:41 pm to Larry
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Two More: Would you rather have JL starting v. Bama, given what you know about Bama's strength's and weakness and JJs strengths and weaknesses?
If so, would you have wanted Hilliard to be the lone ball carrier (I know you don't have to make that choice, but a hypothetical is just for amusement) in this game if he had given up two fumbles in back-to-back carries v. Bama?
I know you are going to answer in any way that is most favorable for you so this exercise is essentially futile.
For the record: I'm not in either corner for this QB debate, I just think it is idiotic to coddle one player and jump on the other's back when neither is clearly better than the other...that and I love the responses, on both sides, in this thread.
1. It really doesn't matter to me who starts, but think both should get a shot and Les should go with the hot hand. I honestly don't think we can go 6/10 passing for 67 yards and win the second time around. I think Bama will put 8-9 in the box and make JJ (or JL) pass. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect the option to be as effective with 45 days to prepare. Even we just throw a few slip screens and slants, we need to have some threat in the passing game.
2. I really like the RB rotation and don't think we should use one exclusively, but I think Hillard has earned his carries along with Ford, Blue and Ware. Interesting twist on the fumble thing, I think two fumbles in a row would cost him PT for that game, especially considering we other running backs that are of equal quality. Likewise, Lee's two picks should have cost him PT in that game, but it should not completely discount the best QB play we have seen at LSU since 2007 through the first 8 games.
My beef is that for 8 weeks (4 of which involved a 2 QB rotation), our offense was fluid and looked better than it has since 2007. We have not had that same consistency in either the Arkansas game or the UGA game. JJ had a good second half againt Ark, but the first half was hard to watch.
The two QB system was working, let both play and go with the hot hand.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:50 pm to ellessuuuu
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My beef is that for 8 weeks (4 of which involved a 2 QB rotation), our offense was fluid and looked better than it has since 2007. We have not had that same consistency in either the Arkansas game or the UGA game. JJ had a good second half againt Ark, but the first half was hard to watch
My beef is you are either making up things or can't remember any Lee problems and give JJ credit because of your obvious Lee bias. Our offense wasn't what you think it was in the first 7 games. Lee had multiple three and outs in first half of games like Oregon, Tenn, and a bad Kentucky team, etc... Defense and special teams made just as many plays in those games to win as they have in the games JJ started.
And by the way JJ had a pretty good first half against Arkansas, unless you think over 100 yards passing in a half is hard to watch.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:56 pm to EarthwormJim
Please let me know which game it was during the first part of the season that our offense completely stalled to the tune ZERO first half first downs. I'll take the guy who had a 13/1 TD/Int. ratio over eight games.
Look it is pretty clear that both JJ (UGA and to some extent Bama) and JL (Bama) have had problems with good defenses, why not give both a shot and go with the hot hand. Do you really feel that JJ has outplayed JL to the point that should not see the field?
Look it is pretty clear that both JJ (UGA and to some extent Bama) and JL (Bama) have had problems with good defenses, why not give both a shot and go with the hot hand. Do you really feel that JJ has outplayed JL to the point that should not see the field?
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 12/14/11 at 4:06 pm to ellessuuuu
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Please let me know which game it was during the first part of the season that our offense completely stalled to the tune ZERO first half first downs. I'll take the guy who had a 13/1 TD/Int. ratio over eight games
Earlier your argument was with Lee as QB our offense was more consistent and productive than with JJ. I'm just saying that you're memory on this is biased. Lee had multiple games where the offense was inconsistent. You also said we won despite JJ when he started, until you realized JJ and our offense had a good 3 game stretch, so you changed your argument again to say these defenses were bad. You remember JJ's bad plays more than Lee's because you are looking for them and don't realize that our offense with JJ played well outside of the UGA.
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Do you really feel that JJ has outplayed JL to the point that should not see the field?
I feel Miles thinks JJ is the better QB.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 4:07 pm
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