re: Late Night Thoughts (Men’s BBall)

You went from attacking me for other people posting about Wade to sanctions. Why would I continue to answer your questions when you’ll just move the goalpost completely? You repeat fan fiction no matter how many times you’re corrected. I’ll ask this and watch you spin, who did Wade pay at LSU?

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LOLOLOLOL

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what's so funny?
a run at a Final Four simply requires you make the tourney, and you then have a chance to make a run at a Final Four.

We were never going to miss the tourney again with Will Wade as our coach, so we essentially would have a chance to make that run every year.
That in itself is enough to keep a fan base engaged, and how you get people showing up for November and December basketball games like Wade was getting.
Wade had 9000+ paid tickets in Novemberr against teams like McNeese and Belmont and Northwestern in his last year.
McMahon is seeing 7000 at best against a Big12 opponent this year. There was hope last year and we were seeing that 9000+ early on, even against bad opponents. The crowd for the KState game is very telling, and if the trend continues and you see less and less as the season goes on, then that's the big problem and why he needs to go at the end of the season.

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You went from attacking me for other people posting about Wade to sanctions. Why would I continue to answer your questions when you’ll just move the goalpost completely? You repeat fan fiction no matter how many times you’re corrected. I’ll ask this and watch you spin, who did Wade pay at LSU?

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you haven't answered or refuted my facts other than to say "some stuff you posted is wrong". you can word your questions however you like but the fact is he did questionable stuff, got caught, and got punished. yet you can't accept that.

So you can’t support the things you say like always and your facts have been proven false over and over and over again. Well all but idiotic things you pat yourself on the back for like “Wade was fired.. fact”. No shite Sherlock, nobody’s ever disputed that.

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So you can’t support the things you say like always and your facts have been proven false over and over and over again. Well all but idiotic things you pat yourself on the back for like “Wade was fired.. fact”. No shite Sherlock, nobody’s ever disputed that.

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what is there to support?

we can go 1 by 1 if you want...

did wade do questionable stuff: yes or no?

Again you make shite up when you’re cornered to answer for your BS. Nobody has ever been fired for “questionable” which you changed from paying players because you couldn’t support the allegation. You’re just a dishonest person period.

Didn’t agree to anything but again you make shite up and pretend I have.

No I meant your premise has changed and isn’t valid. Your facts are wrong when you say he wasn’t honest with the admin when the truth is Alleva was so dishonest in that situation he was fired. You also failed to include that the contract adjustment was based on no “future” possible violations LSU didn’t already know about and none occurred. Your knowledge of the situation seems to come from like minded posters repeating rumor other than fact and once again you’ve totally derailed the thread with your Wade obsession which has nothing to do with what was being discussed.

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wade did some questionable stuff: fact

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WHo give's a shite? Certainly not administrations like Kansas and Arizona.

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wade got caught: fact

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Yeah, he fricked up getting caught. again, Who gives a shite? There are plenty of coaches and professional players that get caught doing stuff and don't get fired b/c they are too good for the organization to let go. hell this happens in the real world all the time, top salesman gets caught doing somethign stupid yet doens't get fired.

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wade didn't cooperate with his employer in an ongoing investigation on if the two items listed above were a big deal or not: fact

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The fanbase and players loved him so much he got an AD fired. The majority had Wade's back, not the LSU admin, and the LSU Admin didn't seem to have Wade's back.

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wade agreed to amend his contract to allow if lsu was served with level 1 or 2 violations he could be fired w cause: fact

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And LSU had the choice to not fire him if they didn't want to.

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wade received a 2 year show cause and was also suspended his first 10 games at mcneese: fact

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So what. We didn't make it last year, and won't this year either. So we basically self imposed it upon ourselves.

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do they just hand out suspensions and show causes for fun?

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You do realize that McNeese self imposed most of that to appease the stupid arse NCAA?

LSU should have told the NCAA to frick off, which is exactly what Kansas did.

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Kansas initially was charged by the NCAA with five Level I violations, which are considered the most severe, including a charge of lack of institutional control and an allegation that Self had failed to keep the program in compliance.

Auburn received four years of probation through a traditional NCAA infractions process for a similar case, but Kansas joined others in appealing through the IARP, which was among the proposals made by former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in 2018 to reform the sport. The panel was designed to work outside the purview of the NCAA and handle complex case.

The panel also has been criticized for inconsistent penalties. Arizona, LSU, Louisville and North Carolina State were given minor penalties and no postseason ban, while Oklahoma State was barred from postseason play for relatively minor violations.

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Bill Self is still at Kansas
Sean Miller was fired from Arizona more so b/c his teams had underperformed 3 years in a row. If he's winning at a high rate, they don't fire him. They had finished first in the PAC 5 of his first 9 years, and the other 4 were a 2nd, 3rd and two 4ths. His last 3 years were 9th, 5th and 5th.
He was rehired by Xavier with no restrictions or punshiments whatsoever, and he got them to the sweet 16 last year in his first year back.
Louisville fired Chris Mack b/c he sucked.
Kevin Keats is still at NC State.

i get my facts from public news articles, like the new york times i posted earlier. everyone knows there's extreme takes here that will bend things to their will. td is a good starting point for headlines but we all should do our own research.

so like i said,
did questionable stuff: fact
got caught: fact
didn't cooperate: fact

at this point, any reasonable person could see why someone would get fired for any of the above actions.

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"You also failed to include that the contract adjustment was based on no “future” possible violations LSU didn’t already know about and none occurred.

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this is news to me, thanks for sharing. this does make me question why wade didn't fight his firing for cause leaving millions on the table. is this just because he's a good guy? or is there more to the story than us keyboard warriors know?