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re: JOB3 to enter draft
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:10 am to EarthwormJim
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:10 am to EarthwormJim
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Not necessarily, he'll have a career playing basketball professionally somewhere for a few years. And there's a ceiling on his draft grade, those guys from Florida all improved their chances of playing professionally by coming back.
There's not much more for Johnny O to grow as a college basketball player.
I think the main takeaway should be that none of these scenarios are truly black-and-white. One guy staying and increasing his stock doesn't mean another guy in a different situation should have done the same. Every prospect is different, every prospect has different things to work on, every prospect has different ways in which his game translates to the next level and every individual has different dreams and priorities. You can't just make blanket assumptions.
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:14 am to Choupique19
This move should take us to the final four next year
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:15 am to EarthwormJim
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There's not much more for Johnny O to grow as a college basketball player.
I disagree. I would have left it at "disagree", but since I'm already a "basher" in this thread, I might as well give my thoughts.
a) it would be nice if JOB could finish a game without getting in foul trouble
b) maybe his conditioning is poor and that leads to foul trouble
c) he turns the ball over way too much. His passing has improved in his year's at LSU, but he's still making dangerous passed croos court. Perhaps with another year he could improve more
d) passing was a big part of his turnover problems, but so was traveling....er, wait a minute, traveling isn't called at the pro level. Disregard point "d".
e) JOB was physically bigger and stronger than most of his college opponents. He won't be that much bigger than the pro players, and he will need to learn how to use postioning and quickness to be effective.
f) if he had trouble giving effort for 35 college games a year, how is he going to play hard for 82 pro games?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:22 am to Choupique19
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c) he turns the ball over way too much. His passing has improved in his year's at LSU, but he's still making dangerous passed croos court. Perhaps with another year he could improve more
He won't be double and triple teamed every single possession in the pros and there's a good chance he'll be on a squad with more than 1 vaguely consistent three point shooter.
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e) JOB was physically bigger and stronger than most of his college opponents. He won't be that much bigger than the pro players, and he will need to learn how to use postioning and quickness to be effective.
He has great footwork and quickness for his size. And he absolutely has an NBA body.
I agree that foul trouble was an issue at times. With better conditioning (another issue), that can work itself out.
I think you're misplacing your criticism, though. The fact of the matter is that a pro team will give him a shot. Your criticism should be placed on these hypothetical teams for what is, in your eyes, a risky move. Not on JOB for striking while the iron is hot. He won't improve as a college player. It's time for him to start to work on his game as it relates to pro ball.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:22 am to Choupique19
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a) it would be nice if JOB could finish a game without getting in foul trouble
b) maybe his conditioning is poor and that leads to foul trouble
c) he turns the ball over way too much. His passing has improved in his year's at LSU, but he's still making dangerous passed croos court. Perhaps with another year he could improve more
d) passing was a big part of his turnover problems, but so was traveling....er, wait a minute, traveling isn't called at the pro level. Disregard point "d".
All these are things that he won't be able to greatly improve with 1 extra year of college.
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e) JOB was physically bigger and stronger than most of his college opponents. He won't be that much bigger than the pro players, and he will need to learn how to use postioning and quickness to be effective.
What? He was double teamed much of his time at LSU. His post positiong and post moves are the most effective part of his game. It's the reason he will have a pro career.
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f) if he had trouble giving effort for 35 college games a year, how is he going to play hard for 82 pro games?
I'm sure training as a professional athlete to play for 82 games will be more beneficial.
Johnny O could have left after his sophomore year but returned and his stock remained pretty much the same. An extra year won't help him increase it anymore.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:28 am to lsu2006
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I think you're misplacing your criticism, though. The fact of the matter is that a pro team will give him a shot. Your criticism should be placed on these hypothetical teams for what is, in your eyes, a risky move.
I do have much criticism for pro basketball teams drafting high school kids. For every Kobe Bryant, there are 3 Kwame Browns.
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Not on JOB for striking while the iron is hot.
That's part of my disappointment, I don't think the iron is "hot". A late 2nd round flyer doesn't seem like it's worth leaving college (to me).
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He won't improve as a college player. It's time for him to start to work on his game as it relates to pro ball.
The LSU offense did a lot of "let JOB work on his pro game" this year.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:33 am to Choupique19
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That's part of my disappointment, I don't think the iron is "hot". A late 2nd round flyer doesn't seem like it's worth leaving college (to me).
It's as hot as it will get for JOB, and I he'll probably go higher than a late 2nd round flyer.
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The LSU offense did a lot of "let JOB work on his pro game" this year.
If by this you mean give the ball to your best offensive player, then sure.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:35 am to Choupique19
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That's part of my disappointment, I don't think the iron is "hot". A late 2nd round flyer doesn't seem like it's worth leaving college (to me).
None of his issues will be magically worked out by staying another year in college. As another poster said, his stock was essentially exactly the same following his sophomore year. He came back and was the centerpiece of our team, but still didn't increase his stock. Teams are showing interest, obviously, so he's going to give it a shot. His body won't hold up forever, especially considering the high level of physicality he plays with.
LSU (his degree) will always be here when his playing career runs its course.
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The LSU offense did a lot of "let JOB work on his pro game" this year.
Running our offense through our best player =/= "let JOB work on his pro game". Again, he won't be hands-down the best player on whatever team he lands on, whether it's in the NBA, NBADL or Europe. That means less double teams, less chance for travelling, less chance of a bad pass out of a double.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:36 am to EarthwormJim
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If by this you mean give the ball to your best offensive player, then sure.
There were times they needed to give it to him more.
But there were also times that we were stagnant, and just standing around watching.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:43 am to Choupique19
it's fair to say there are pros and cons to JOB leaving.
JOB can't really improve his stock much so if he's going, now's the time. Honestly, I think if Mickey comes back(he should), the team will be better next year. LSU won't be running the O through JOB and having bigger guards and more motion on O suits what CJJ likes to do.
Either way, thanks to JOB for 3 good years and best of luck to him. He will always be a tiger.
JOB can't really improve his stock much so if he's going, now's the time. Honestly, I think if Mickey comes back(he should), the team will be better next year. LSU won't be running the O through JOB and having bigger guards and more motion on O suits what CJJ likes to do.
Either way, thanks to JOB for 3 good years and best of luck to him. He will always be a tiger.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:43 am to Choupique19
So what if he couldn't have increased his own stock? He could have helped the TEAM.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:44 am to TigersforEver
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He could have helped the TEAM.
He will help a new team.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:45 am to TigersforEver
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So what if he couldn't have increased his own stock? He could have helped the TEAM.
Yes. He was placed on this Earth for OUR AMUSEMENT!!
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:47 am to TigersforEver
a less JOB focused offense might allow for better rhythm on offense, so what if going actually makes us a better more complete team.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:58 am to heartbreakTiger
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a less JOB focused offense might allow for better rhythm on offense, so what if going actually makes us a better more complete team
He's a very good post player, but I think without JOB the team will start to play the style that Jones' teams have always played. Better wing players will help in that area as well.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:18 pm to tigerbait3488
"Big Baby can't make it in the NBA". Remember all those comments a few years back?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:32 pm to lsu2006
Best of luck
I don't foresee much of an NBA career at all.
But he can make a living overseas.
I don't foresee much of an NBA career at all.
But he can make a living overseas.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:34 pm to Gugich22
Not reading whole thread, is this April Fools or legit?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:38 pm to PsychTiger
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Not reading whole thread, is this April Fools or legit?
Probably true. will find out for sure in 1.5 hours.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:49 pm to Ignignot
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its not, he's reached his ceiling
He hasn't reached his ceiling. He's gotten better every year at LSU. If the guy figures out how to beat opponents with the pass, he will be a devastating college player (translating into a better pro) and LSU will likely make a sweet 16 run next year (provided one or two of our new guards can shoot).
The idea that JOB has hit his ceiling as a player is silly. People said that in the speculation threads last time, and all JOB did was perfect a 12 footer, make his hook shots all but automatic and improve from the foul line. Also, his defense improved from below average to average this year. Guy can still add plenty of tools to his game. I hope the professional route will allow him to maximize his potential.
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