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re: JJ will the the key to LSU beating Bama

Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:23 pm to
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All I heard was how JL's passing ability would open up the running game. Well that hasn't happened teams still stack the box daring LSU to beat them with the pass. Guess all the JL supporters didn't know what the f_ck they were talking about


what a bitch... you are getting worse by the post.
This is almost as good as the gem you posted yesterday about JJ getting more and more pt than JL.
Please do everyone a favor and dont try to label any other poster here as a "hater" again.
You are just as bad on the other side.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:25 pm to
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You keep making strawman arguments. JL is the better passer, the OP was a bad post. Sorry if that makes you butthurt.



What has JJ done this year for you to insinuate he is not a good passer? I'm waiting.



So I guess you never found that quote of me saying JJ shouldn't play.....

On this topic, again you have a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT.

Saying JL is a better passer than JJ does not mean JJ is a bad passer. it means that JL is abetter passer than JJ.

Do you disagree that JL is better at passing than JJ?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68701 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:26 pm to
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and how many deep balls have we completed this year?

Thanks for playing....


That is all you got Still 8-9 men in the box genius.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:26 pm to
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What has JJ done this year for you to insinuate he is not a good passer? I'm waiting.

Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:27 pm to
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That is all you got Still 8-9 men in the box genius.


yep, which opens up our donfield passing game. Ask RR if he has enjoyed catching those 40+ yd TD passes.

My guess is he'll say no, as they had 8 men in the box.

<- me, laughing at you.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49448 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:27 pm to
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Still 8-9 men in the box genius.
Which is EXACTLY why you need to pass!!!



ETA: Who in their right mind wants to run the ball against a 8-9 man front?
This post was edited on 10/17/11 at 1:28 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:27 pm to
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2) LSU's run game is more effective when Jefferson is at QB because the front seven has to account for two rushers in the backfield.


I think this year it's more indicative that a bigger variety of running plays are ran with JJ in the game. Outside running plays have seldom been called with Lee in the game, but they've been effective when called.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48705 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:28 pm to
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So once again, you attribute this to Jefferson, not time of possesion or any other metric that would have effected changes in rushing statisticss.


I can break them down by who was QB at the time and it's going to be even a greater disparity. Time of possession was effected as a result of our ability to run, not the opposite.


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back at you, you blithering moron. i can only read what you write, and based off your usually lacking word choice and explanation, I can only surmise that you post on TD so much because of your failure as a lawyer.


Look, your inability to look at things from logical standpoint because of some inherent bias is your problem, not mine.

You can attack me all you want, but the fact of the matter remains is that my argument is the one with the objective facts on its side. Your argument consists of "nu-uh" and the reaction of a petulant child holding her hands over her ears running around screaming "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you." It would be nice if you understood how to formulate arguments based on evidence and then present them. But instead, you repeat the same baseless responses day in and day out. It's quite frustrating.


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Look, you like JJ, that's swell. No one cares. JL should be the starter and get most of the reps if we are to beat bama.


I never argued against this. If you were pay attention, you would know that.

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Arguing? selectively picking stats so you can claim how great a running QB softens up a defense for the pass?


How is using a year's worth of yards per carry stats "selective picking?"

Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:29 pm to
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Still 8-9 men in the box genius.
Which is EXACTLY why you need to pass!!!

ETA: Who in their right mind wants to run the ball against a 8-9 man front?


Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68701 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:29 pm to
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you are getting worse by the post.


Can you please come up with something original? You say this to everyone. I guess that is the standard response for dumbasses.

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This is almost as good as the gem you posted yesterday about JJ getting more and more pt than JL


Get it right jackass.....as the season goes on this will happen. And you will cry like the little bitch you are because your QB won't be playing...boo f'n hoo just pull for whoever plays.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:30 pm to
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1) History shows that to beat Alabama a team must have an effective run game.

2) LSU's run game is more effective when Jefferson is at QB because the front seven has to account for two rushers in the backfield.

B and S. I watched the game, and this is why beat Bama
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L 1-10 L06 Jo. Jefferson pass complete to T. Toliver for 19 yards to the LS25, 1ST DOWN LS (Mark Barron).
L 1-10 L25 Jo. Jefferson pass complete to Rueben Randle for 75 yards to the UA0, 1ST DOWN LS, TOUCHDOWN,

LSU took the lead, then
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L 1-10 L23 Stevan Ridley rush for 5 yards to the LS28 (Josh Chapman).
L 2-5 L28 Stevan Ridley rush for 18 yards to the LS46, 1ST DOWN LS, out-of-bounds (Robert Lester).
L 1-10 L46 Jo. Jefferson pass incomplete to T. Toliver (Dre Kirkpatrick).
L 2-10 L46 Stevan Ridley rush for 19 yards to the UA35, 1ST DOWN LS (Nico Johnson).
L 1-10 A35 Stevan Ridley rush for 2 yards to the UA33 (Marcell Dareus).
L 2-8 A33 Michael Ford rush for 3 yards to the UA30 (D. Hightower;Chavis Williams).
L 3-5 A30 Michael Ford rush for 4 yards to the UA26 (Robert Lester;Phelon Jones).
L 4-1 A26 De. Peterson rush for 23 yards to the UA3, 1ST DOWN LS (Dre Kirkpatrick).
L 1-G A03 Stevan Ridley rush for 2 yards to the UA1 (D. Hightower;Marcell Dareus).
L 2-G A01 Stevan Ridley rush for no gain to the UA1 (Glenn Harbin;Nico Johnson).
L 3-G A01 Stevan Ridley rush for 1 yard to the UA0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 08:13.

JJ did not run one time on this drive. hardly, needed accounting for. Then, the nail in the coffin
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L 1-10 L23 Michael Ford rush for loss of 3 yards to the LS20 (D. Milliner).
L 2-13 L20 Stevan Ridley rush for no gain to the LS20 (D. Milliner;Damion Square).
L 3-13 L20 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Rueben Randle for 47 yards to the UA33, 1ST DOWN LS (D. Sentimore).
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68701 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:31 pm to
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Which is EXACTLY why you need to pass!!!


I couldn't agree more.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35035 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:32 pm to
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Who in their right mind wants to run the ball against a 8-9 man front?


CLM?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48705 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:32 pm to
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The OP was about JJ's passing ability. Keep crawfishing though....it's funny


I take it that you didn't feel the need to take the time to read my initial post in this thread:


quote:

He won't be "the" key, but we'll probably need him to loosen up Alabama's front seven.

I think we're in trouble if Longeran can't go.


This initial post and every subsequent post by me has been about our rushing offense with Jefferson. Anyone viewing this reasonably could see this.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:33 pm to
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Do you disagree that JL is better at passing than JJ?


From what I have seen this season, there is not enough evidence because JL has had way more attempts and passing plays. I know JJ has gotten better from what I have seen thus far. It is not a fair argument and I have no idea why you and tards like you keep comparing JL to JJ when we are winning with both. Which brings me to this.....

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the way some posters on here react every time you point out facts about our team, you'd think I was asking if Jefferson could take their daughter's virginity.

Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:33 pm to
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Still 8-9 men in the box genius.


I'm not sure that isn't the strategy though, pound and pound, then hit play action. Neither QB has shown to be that effective in more of a spread out passing attack and both have thrown their share of picks...so you run to setup the pass.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41959 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:33 pm to
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just pull for whoever plays.


You know that will never happen with TIGRLEE.

Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
85653 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:33 pm to
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Look at the break down from last year, we averaged over more than a yard more per rush last year than when Lee was in the game.

Let me put it this way. What did we average per play, rushing and passing, Lee vs. JJ? Also, points scored?

Is it better to average 1 yard more per rush, and 100 yards less passing? What about 30 points less scoring per game?

I don't understand why you would want to accept a miniscule increase in rushing yards, in return for giving up a huge chunk of passing yards, and reducing your points scored per game by more than half?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:33 pm to
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Antonio Moss


Listen, we all get you are pro JJ.

That's swell. Re-read the OP and see if it makes sense. Just do it. How having a stacked box means we need JJ to throw.....see if that comment makes much sense.

Your constant crawfish, half arguments and moving goal posts are entertaining. your need to call me names then get butthurt when I call you names back is cute, if not pathetic.

Look, beating bama is gonna take a balanced offensive approach. that will be the same approach we have used thus far, in JL getting the lionshare and using JJ when needed. I haven't argued anything to the contrary.

Yo , like most others with weak debate skills, like to change the argument to better fit the bias you argue from (pro JJ). I would expect you would be better about using strawman arguments...but you're not.

Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48705 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:34 pm to
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LSU took the lead, then
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L 1-10 L23 Stevan Ridley rush for 5 yards to the LS28 (Josh Chapman).
L 2-5 L28 Stevan Ridley rush for 18 yards to the LS46, 1ST DOWN LS, out-of-bounds (Robert Lester).
L 1-10 L46 Jo. Jefferson pass incomplete to T. Toliver (Dre Kirkpatrick).
L 2-10 L46 Stevan Ridley rush for 19 yards to the UA35, 1ST DOWN LS (Nico Johnson).
L 1-10 A35 Stevan Ridley rush for 2 yards to the UA33 (Marcell Dareus).
L 2-8 A33 Michael Ford rush for 3 yards to the UA30 (D. Hightower;Chavis Williams).
L 3-5 A30 Michael Ford rush for 4 yards to the UA26 (Robert Lester;Phelon Jones).
L 4-1 A26 De. Peterson rush for 23 yards to the UA3, 1ST DOWN LS (Dre Kirkpatrick).
L 1-G A03 Stevan Ridley rush for 2 yards to the UA1 (D. Hightower;Marcell Dareus).
L 2-G A01 Stevan Ridley rush for no gain to the UA1 (Glenn Harbin;Nico Johnson).
L 3-G A01 Stevan Ridley rush for 1 yard to the UA0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 08:13.


Thank you for making my point.

Run, run, run against Alabama and take your shots when they are there.
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