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re: JJ will the the key to LSU beating Bama
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:07 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:07 pm to Antonio Moss
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So, you're telling me when JJ's in the game, the ypc are better?
Yes. A lot better. It's simply because the front seven has to account for two rushers instead of one. It isn't a difficult concept.
This is simply not true. First, you are making assumptions strictly from using rushing stats over the last game. You're ignoring what was done in all the games prior to last week.
Second, a QB that is not a passing threat does not lossen up the front 7. That's football 101. It actually creates a stacked box. Why do you think LSU was 106th in offense with the same "running" QB? The front 7 should have been loose as shite.
We are where we are this year because of a QB that can pass the ball, allowing us to use our stable of running backs. Our running game sets up our passing game and vice versa. With JJ, you have no passing game. None.
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Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:07 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
It's possible. But I actually think Brad Wing will be a bigger key to beating the Tide.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:07 pm to 13SaintTiger
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It is evident that you just don't like JJ because of what you got out of my post.
Your post said JJ is better, but you can;t bring up stats.
Your post was basically your moronic opinion with no evidence to back it up, except your own delusional beliefs that aren't based on fact.
None of that deals with JJ. It has to do with your opinion.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:08 pm to Antonio Moss
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We had 47 yards on 18 attempts in the first half (2.6 ypc).
Once Jefferson came in the second half, we gained 213 yards on 34 carries (6.2 ypc).
JJ was effective running the ball but if you are alluding to the fact that JJ is THE reason for LSU's success in the second half, you would be very wrong. I don't think people were worried about JJ running the ball when Lee was in the ballgame.
This thread again delves into the realm of favoritism and selective stats. UT played valiantly in the first half, but was still down 17-7.
I think JJ will definitely be one of the keys for success in future games but to say he will be the key is a bit premature, since he hasn't been established as anything but a wildcat QB at this point. Which is what I feel is his strong suit anyway.
It's great to have both QB's healthy and productive in their niche, and will need both down the stretch. I don't think it's necessary to embellish the role of either though at this point.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:08 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:THIS!
If we have to throw the ball 25+ times, we're going to be in trouble.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:08 pm to 13SaintTiger
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I will be pleasantly suprised if JL handles Bama's defense without getting sacked, without an int, or without JJ's help.
You realize this also works two ways?
Who came into the game saturday to bail us out on 3rd and longs?
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:08 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:First off, no one is saying he wont get sacked or throw a pick. But if there was a way to play the game twice over, once with only JL and then only JJ, I'd be willing to bet all I have that JJ is sacked more and has more picks
I will be pleasantly suprised if JL handles Bama's defense without getting sacked, without an int, or without JJ's help.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:08 pm to Antonio Moss
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I have no bias.
you're too funny.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:09 pm to TIGRLEE
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He wasnt hurt this week on the long 3rd downs Lee came back in for.
Was he?
No. I didn't come on this board after the game so I was wondering were there any fans bitching that JJ drove the team down the field and JL came in to get the TD?
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:09 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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It's possible. But I actually think Brad Wing will be a bigger key to beating the Tide.
Could be. It will have to be a total game and field position is critical.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:09 pm to TIGRLEE
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no, my point is why not throw more on 1st or 2nd down?
Because history shows us that with the greater number of passing attempts the less likely we are to beat Alabama.
Now, I do think mixing it up on 1st and 2nd down is wise, but we can't just sit back and throw or we'll get killed.
Luckily, Miles understands this.
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That can make them abandon that shite real quick.
We chose not to do that though for some reason.
Dude, Alabama is not going to abandon their base defense.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:12 pm to CptBengal
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Your post said JJ is better, but you can;t bring up stats
My post-
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You are delusional and you come off as if you know nothing about the game of football. JJ will be a factor to this Bama game, he can pass the ball, he's already done so this season. Don't even dare bring up past stats. I wonder wtf are some of you smoking. A Bama defense will be overwhelming for JL or JJ, that's why it is a blessing that we have both. Establishing the run, stout defense, and no turnovers will win the game. Usually when a team is pass heavy, they are playing catchup.
Where did I say JJ was better? I honestly don't care. Just quit making shite up guy.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:12 pm to Antonio Moss
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Now, I do think mixing it up on 1st and 2nd down is wise, but we can't just sit back and throw or we'll get killed.
good thing they have a position called running back for when JJ isn't in the game.
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Luckily, Miles understands this.
sweet, it also seems he understands that we can both run and pass without JJ in the game...who knew.
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Dude, Alabama is not going to abandon their base defense.
exactly, which is run stopping. yet you advocate a QB whose strength goes right at their strength. Not the best move, have you read Sun Tzu?
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:12 pm to CptBengal
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and this is all attributable to JJ playing, as you pointed out?
Really wanna go with that champ?
You really are fricking stupid, seriously.
Why don't you take the whole quote in context? We were struggling rushing between the tackles because of the loss of Longeran (averaging only 2.6 ypc in the first half). Jefferson came in and allowed us to soften up Tennessee's front seven. After pounding on them on a 99 yard drive, it didn't matter who was playing QB because Ware was going to get his.
While we normall increase rushing production first half to second half, we don't normally do it at the rate which we did against Tennessee.
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Really wanna go with that champ?
You really are such a pathetic loser. I don't even know why I waste the time arguing with you.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:13 pm to Antonio Moss
Antonio, I am glad to have JJ back for the depth that he provides LSU at QB. I also think he has already contributed to this team.
We have seen both of them play now. Objectively speaking, honest question, which one starting do you think makes LSU a better team?
We have seen both of them play now. Objectively speaking, honest question, which one starting do you think makes LSU a better team?
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:13 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Just quit making shite up guy.
Like you with me?
Where did I say we wouldn't need JJ as your assanine post alludes to?
I'll wait......
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:13 pm to Antonio Moss
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Because history shows us that with the greater number of passing attempts the less likely we are to beat Alabama.
Im not incinuating we throw it 100 times.
Im saying its hard to run the football with 8-9 guys stacking los.
If you have some success thrwoing the ball on eearly downs, that in itself is enough to keep defenses from crowding line... did I really need to explain that to you?
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Dude, Alabama is not going to abandon their base defense.
Im pretty fricking positive you know thats not what I was saying. Since when is bama's base D a 8 man front?
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:14 pm to TIGRLEE
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You realize this also works two ways?
Yes I do but JL is the starter not JJ.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:14 pm to CptBengal
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exactly, which is run stopping. yet you advocate a QB whose strength goes right at their strength. Not the best move, have you read Sun Tzu?
JJ with the read option outside can be effective. I doubt he will do much between the tackles. It's good to have him as this kind of option, and will be needed.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:14 pm to Festus
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This is simply not true.
It is absolutely true.
Look at the break down from last year, we averaged over more than a yard more per rush last year than when Lee was in the game.
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