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re: Jefferson vs. Lee Inside the Numbers *Updated*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:43 pm to geaux99
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:43 pm to geaux99
quote:
It's the difference between LSU fans that actually watch the game and watch what is happening to our program on the field, and LSU fans that rattle off statistics (the "51 wins" crew we had to endure over the summer) day in and day out.
Yeah, that's it. I didn't watch the game at all.
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I don't think anyone is saying that JJ is superior.
people are going way overboard to convince other people that their "pet" is the superior QB.
I think people are providing facts that might explain why Jefferson is still an option for QB.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:45 pm to OBUDan
The stat I find most compelling is the only time JJ got close to the end zone was the first play of the game, and on the kind of play that doesn't happen often.
JL got down there twice. He threw an interception once, then JJ went in to hand off to Ridley for the final TD.
We looked like an offense with JL in there, and looked like a mish mash with JJ in.
I'm curious how many series each got to play? Did one engineer longer drives, hence more plays?
The wounds from the JL pick-6's is still fresh for me, but hopefully he's learned something in the succeeding two years and won't do that again.
I like JL, and feel like he's the best option.
JL got down there twice. He threw an interception once, then JJ went in to hand off to Ridley for the final TD.
We looked like an offense with JL in there, and looked like a mish mash with JJ in.
I'm curious how many series each got to play? Did one engineer longer drives, hence more plays?
The wounds from the JL pick-6's is still fresh for me, but hopefully he's learned something in the succeeding two years and won't do that again.
I like JL, and feel like he's the best option.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:46 pm to jdrumdog
quote:The facts are what they are.
Opinions are usually derived from "spun" facts.
There is no "spin" to the facts of this game.
And if you think the facts are "spun," please explain the "spin."
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:46 pm to just me
quote:
I don't think anyone is saying that JJ is superior.
I think people are providing facts that might explain why Jefferson is still an option for QB.
It was actually a generic statement about the people who support a player over the goals of the team. There are actual Lee supporters, and Jefferson supporters who want to marginalize the other guy to make theirs look better.
Those people are not LSU fans, they are fans of an individual player who put their own self deluded pride above anything else.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:46 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
quote:
The stat I find most compelling is the only time JJ got close to the end zone was the first play of the game, and on the kind of play that doesn't happen often.
Not entirely true.
Also one of the two times Lee "got down there" was on "one of those plays that doesn't happen often."
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:47 pm to OBUDan
This is ridiculous, with JJ play action doesnt exist, with JJ out passing game doesnt exist, with JJ our offense doesnt exist. Do you think its a random circumstance that we practically double our total yardage in the one game JL plays in? You think JJ is such a good runner, then put him at RB, he isnt a QB, his passing stats are God awful and we lose to Tenn with him in the whole game
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
It was actually a generic statement about the people who support a player over the goals of the team. There are actual Lee supporters, and Jefferson supporters who want to marginalize the other guy to make theirs look better.
Those people are not LSU fans, they are fans of an individual player who put their own self deluded pride above anything else.
I agree totally.
People (Lee supporters) keep thinking I'm bringing this to the table like I'm stumping for JJ.
Hell no.
I'm merely saying we need both right now. It's unfortunate, but for right now, it's true.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:48 pm to OBUDan
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Who cares how you get 'em, right? Just get 'em.
I agree. In the only game this year where Lee got significant playing time, we had our best yardage output (434).
Also, we had zero three and outs in 2 games this year: Moo St. and Tenn. This should help going forward if we can just move the chains when we get the ball (with whomever the coaches put out there).
I don't mind JJ getting snaps... I just think Lee should get the majority and I don't know what Jefferson can offer that Shep doesn't.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:49 pm to CptBengal
quote:We are talking offensive efficiency.
We are talking about QBs...not RBs
Against Tennessee, LSU got more yards per play and more points when Jefferson was QB.
I want Lee to QB. I even want him to start against Florida. However, Jefferson brings a lot to the table.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:49 pm to OBUDan
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I agree totally.
People (Lee supporters) keep thinking I'm bringing this to the table like I'm stumping for JJ.
Hell no.
I'm merely saying we need both right now. It's unfortunate, but for right now, it's true.
bullshite. Lee DESERVES the keys right now. At least until he proves he can't handle it. Jefferson DESERVES to watch from the sideline due to poor play and a shitty attitude. Enough with this shite already.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:49 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
quote:
I'm curious how many series each got to play? Did one engineer longer drives, hence more plays?
JJ got one extra Series.
Lee got more plays.
I got tired of crunching numbers for a minute to see extended drives and all that...
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:54 pm to OBUDan
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I don't disagree.
But he gives you that dynamic. Lee does not.
And you know this b/c? Has LSU even tried to run with him? Didn't he lose 15 or so pounds to get quicker?
Also, when was the last time you saw Payton, drew or tim run? You do not have to be a great runner to be a good qb. I am not saying that JL is a good qb, but that is a poor argument because you just pissed on the Saints winning the AB last year...
This post was edited on 10/6/10 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:54 pm to OBUDan
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All it takes is one 30 yard scamper to throw everything off kilter. You can't possibly be suggesting that the guy that is capable of moving the ball through the air is somehow crippling the running game.
Ridley got more carries with Lee than JJ.
Here is the breakdown, if you want:
With JJ:
1, 2, 29, 2, 8, 4, 1, 20, 14, 1, 1
With Lee:
4, 2, 0, 7, 8, 0, 6, -1, 11, 0, 2
Right. Retard, you just proved my point. 2 big runs padded the stats for when JJ was in the game.
What should be the more obvious point that you're missing is that JJ still couldn't do shite even with the aid of better running from Ridley (which has nothing to do with JJ you morons)
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:55 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
quote:
Did one engineer longer drives, hence more plays?
JJ had drives: 1, 3, 9, 7, 5, 7
Lee had drives: 6, 5, 6, 4, 16
Would like to add that the 16 play drive had 2 incompletes, 2 plays by JJ and 1 sack.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:55 pm to just me
quote:
Jefferson brings a lot to the table.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:56 pm to Jaketigger
quote:
Didn't he lose 15 or so pounds to get quicker?
He still does not appear to make the decision to run when nothing is there.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:56 pm to Powerman
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Powerman
Why are you being such a douche? I've done nothing to you other that present some statistics and you've done nothing but call me names for 7 pages now.
Ridley had three runs bigger than his biggest run under Lee...
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:57 pm to OBUDan
quote:
JJ got one extra Series.
Lee got more plays.
I got tired of crunching numbers for a minute to see extended drives and all that..
This blows your argument to shreds....
So when JL is in the game the offense averages more plays, and moves the ball better than when JJ is in the game. Obviously to get more plays he would need to move the chains more, combined with one less series to work wit;
You get JL is BETTER at running the offense and thus should start AND play 90% of the snaps.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:57 pm to OBUDan
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Ridley had three runs bigger than his biggest run under Lee...
What' stupid is you're crediting JJ for those long runs
That's absurd
The sample size for Ridley when each was in at QB is just too small
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