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re: is Miles now the 2nd best coach in the SEC?
Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:17 am to lsu xman
Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:17 am to lsu xman
quote:lol, you got to be fricking kidding, take off the Miles Glasses
with Meyers stepping down, does that make Miles the 2nd best coach in the SEC?
He could be the only SEC coach with a BCS ring.
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Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:19 am to lsusportsman2
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No, Miles >>>>>>>> Saban.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:25 am to Dennis4LSU
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lol, you got to be fricking kidding, take off the Miles Glasses
Hey Denny 4, could you just start over and be 4 another team?
Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:25 am to MondayMorningMarch
USC is not 9-3 they are 9-4 after last night bowl game.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 11:29 am to Lonnie4LSU
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If you can't be happy with 3rd in the SEC, 13th in the nation, and playing football on New Years Day...so by it. Be as unhappy as you want, but I choose to enjoy our success and hope for more.
So by it, then
Posted on 12/27/09 at 11:36 am to Maximus
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So by it, then
I've got to say -that was funny!
Posted on 12/27/09 at 11:46 am to Harv1790
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he's 2nd best in conference now. Other than Saban who would you put in front of him?
I'd put Richt, Spurrer, Petrino and Nutt ahead of him for sure. The guy at Kentucky is also a possibility. Too early to tell on Kiffin, Chizik and Mullen. No way to tell on Johnson at Vandy. So, I'd say at least five have to be ranked ahead of him, one maybe, the other four we don't know. Presumably, whoever Florida hires will be the sixth that should definitely be ranked ahead of him.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 11:48 am to LSUStjames
quote:Wow, another football expert. Who did Cincci beat with their backup QB? You think they could have beat Bama with a backup QB coming off the bench halfway through the game? Some of you guys truely don't know shite about the physical and mental aspects of the game of football.
The qb experience excuse is getting old. Cincinnati played 3 different QBs this year because of injuries including a true freshman and are undefeated
Posted on 12/27/09 at 11:52 am to XbengalTiger
Do you think Cinci would have had their starting QB at least try to throw the ball to win against UF or would they have let him purposely take sacks until the final whistle just so his feelings won't get hurt by possibly throwing an INT?
Posted on 12/27/09 at 11:53 am to Nuts4LSU
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I'd put Richt, Spurrer, Petrino and Nutt ahead of him for sure. The guy at Kentucky is also a possibility. Too early to tell on Kiffin, Chizik and Mullen. No way to tell on Johnson at Vandy. So, I'd say at least five have to be ranked ahead of him, one maybe, the other four we don't know. Presumably, whoever Florida hires will be the sixth that should definitely be ranked ahead of him.
It would be nice and enlightening if you could clarify the criteria that you used to judge the aforementioned coaches and the parameters within which they are to be used.
Career - win loss record
Current School - win loss record
Bowls record
Championship records
Head-to-Head record
OOC record
Home/Away record
Is it only one of the above or a combination of some and if so which particular combination and why. I might have left out some particular statistic with reference to winning and losing but feel free to clarify with any additional information that you might need.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 11:54 am to Maximus
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So by it, then
Thanks for the heads up.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:01 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I'd put Richt, Spurrer, Petrino and Nutt ahead of him for sure.
Houston Dale's SEC Record:
51-47
Bubby Petrino's SEC Record:
5-11
You passed NEGA status awhile back. They will be coming for you in teh white coats soon.
This post was edited on 12/27/09 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:04 pm to XbengalTiger
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The qb experience excuse is getting old. Cincinnati played 3 different QBs this year because of injuries including a true freshman and are undefeated
Wow, another football expert. Who did Cincci beat with their backup QB? You think they could have beat Bama with a backup QB coming off the bench halfway through the game? Some of you guys truely don't know shite about the physical and mental aspects of the game of football.
Who knows, they may have. We had a QB this year with meaningful experience under his belt, JJ wasn't a total rookie. Some QB's develop more quickly, catch on to the college game earlier than others.
There are things JJ did very well, but it seemed he was continually put in the positions he didn't do very well in.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:06 pm to CalTiger
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We don't play in a league that is friendly to young inexperienced QBs
A few teams off the top of my head whose starting QB had less career PT and/or fewer career starts going into the season than Jordan Jefferson had going into this season:
2009 SEC and possibly national champions (Alabama)
2007 SEC and national champions (LSU)
2005 SEC champions (Georgia)
2003 National co-champions (USC)
1998 SEC and national champions (Tennessee)
1993 SEC champions (Florida)
1986 SEC champions (LSU)
When you consider that LSU had two QBs with starting experience going into this season, and add Jarrett Lee's experience to Jefferson's, the list of teams who won titles with less experience at QB than LSU had this year grows longer.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:10 pm to lsu xman
quote:I think he is a very good coach. Period. I say that believing that he personally lost the Old Miss game with clock mis-management. He is paid over three million dollars a year to win. That was a huge, and embarrassing public failure. And, I repeat, I think he is a very good football coach.
is Miles now the 2nd best coach in the SEC?
with Meyers stepping down, does that make Miles the 2nd best coach in the SEC?
A huge part of a coach's success depends upon his ability to pick competent assistants. And, that is his responsibility alone. Carl Smith left Gerry Dinardo for Texas. And, Dinardo selected Lou Tupper to replace him. And, then, stuck with him. It cost him his job. And, it should have.
USC lost it's offensive and defensive coorodinators to Washington (remember them). That they are not as good under the new coaches is obvious.
Florida lost Dan Mullen, it's offensive coordinator, to Mississippi State, last year. They were not as productive this year on offense.
I hope Gary Crowton does not turn out to be another Lou Tupper. But, his offense was poor, especially considering the talent he has to work with. Thus, I suggest that he is not using his talent effectively. I understand Randle. He's playing behind two potentially first round draft picks. But, Shepard?!!
And, how about last year, when Lee was obviously over his head. He didn't even try Jordon until he absolutely HAD to. So, if the chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, then Les Miles is only as strong as Gary Crowton. Because, elite coaches have elite assistants who use elite talent to their best advantage.
Coach Miles has proven able to attract elite talent.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:11 pm to Sammich
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Houston Dale's SEC Record:
51-47
Taking over Arkansas after Danny Ford was fired was a hell of a lot different from taking over LSU after Saban left.
Also, the tables have turned. Over the past two years, with Nutt still having vastly inferior talent, Nutt has an equal or better SEC record and a 2-0 head to head record vs. Miles. And in that two years, Miles' SEC record is worse than Nutt's career record you cited above.
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Bubby Petrino's SEC Record:
5-11
Yes, building a program is harder than inheriting one. Even so, Petrino is 1-1 vs. Miles, with Miles needing OT to get his, at home.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:12 pm to Nuts4LSU
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few teams off the top of my head whose starting QB had less career PT and/or fewer career starts going into the season than Jordan Jefferson had going into this season:
2009 SEC and possibly national champions (Alabama)
Wrong. McElroy has stats dating back to 2007.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
[quote]Taking over Arkansas after Danny Ford was fired was a hell of a lot different from taking over LSU after Saban left.
The frick are you talking about? Nutt was a loser at Arkansas & wiill be at Ole Miss after Snead & Ogeron's lineman leave.
Take your "2 year record" bullshite elsewhere.
The frick are you talking about? Nutt was a loser at Arkansas & wiill be at Ole Miss after Snead & Ogeron's lineman leave.
Take your "2 year record" bullshite elsewhere.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:21 pm to Sammich
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whose starting QB had less career PT and/or fewer career starts going into the season than Jordan Jefferson had going into this season:
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Wrong. McElroy has stats dating back to 2007.
20 career pass attempts in garbage time is considered more pt than someone who 73 attempts and 2 starts because the guy with 20 passes played dating back to the golden era of 2007? Come on, poster who changed his name from tiger tap.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 12:23 pm to CalTiger
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It would be nice and enlightening if you could clarify the criteria that you used to judge the aforementioned coaches and the parameters within which they are to be used.
Career - win loss record
Current School - win loss record
Bowls record
Championship records
Head-to-Head record
OOC record
Home/Away record
Is it only one of the above or a combination of some and if so which particular combination and why. I might have left out some particular statistic with reference to winning and losing but feel free to clarify with any additional information that you might need.
All of those are relevant, with the exception of bowls record and OOC record and possibly home/away record, but all must be adjusted for the peculiar situations the teams are in. Succeeding at Mississippi State means a lot more than succeeding at Texas or Florida, obviously, since it is so much harder to do. A coach who takes over an elite program will naturally have a better record (at least in the short term) than a coach who has to rebuild a program when he takes over, unless the rebuilding coach is just so ridiculously superior that he manages to do better even while rebuilding, such as Saban having a better record at Alabama than Miles has at LSU.
Trend is also important. On the day he was fired, Larry Coker probably had a better record at Miami than 90% of coaches had at whatever school they were at, but his trend was downward. Clearly, Miles inherited a loaded program, and as a result he had three great years at the beginning. The program has obviously taken a downturn over the last two years. It's not happening as fast or as dramatically as it did with Coker, but the trend is similar in its direction.
Of course, in expressing my opinion above, I also considered what I expect to happen in the future. I expect Miles to continue to take our program down toward mediocrity, while the others either build theirs up or maintain them at a higher level, unless they are at programs inherently unable to advance beyond a certain point (South Carolina, Kentucky, Ole Miss, etc.).
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