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re: Is Miles making the same mistake Mike Archer did
Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:16 pm to chilge1
Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:16 pm to chilge1
Bottomline, I'm not saying anything that isn't common knowledge or earth shattering. These guys have a want to get better and certainly are quite capable...quality grew of men! The good news is we're guaranteed to go to Atlanta this year.........Labor Day...Chick-Fil-A Kick-off Game. I wouldn't book a hotel for the first Saturday in December just yet.
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Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:19 pm to ForeLSU
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this lead to Louisiana recruits going elsewhere and thus began the decline of LSU football all through the 1990s.
2011 Commitments...
La'El Collins Offensive Tackle (9/28/09) - Redemptorist H.S. (LA)
Jeremy Hill Running Back (9/28/09) - Redemptorist H.S. (LA)
Anthony Johnson Defensive Tackle (12/18/09) - O. Perry Walker H.S. (LA)
Corey White Offensive Tackle (12/18/09) - Capitol Senior H.S. (LA)
Kenny Hilliard Running Back (12/19/09) - Patterson H.S. (LA)
Jarvis Landry Wide Receiver (1/9/10) - Lutcher H.S. (LA)
Terrance Magee Athlete (1/13/10) - Franklinton H.S. (LA)
I'd say no.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:19 pm to LaBR4
What you're saying doesn't mesh.
That Matt Flynn didn't need coaching and that Bo Pelini was the sole voice on defense, yet it was Bo Pelini's defense that gave up nearly 50 points to that Arkansas team, couldn't stop McFadden to save their lives, and it was Matt Flynn who threw the game away all night.
Is it so hard to recognize that the program appears to be on the upswing with experienced gained in some key positions that should help us out tremendously next year?
That Matt Flynn didn't need coaching and that Bo Pelini was the sole voice on defense, yet it was Bo Pelini's defense that gave up nearly 50 points to that Arkansas team, couldn't stop McFadden to save their lives, and it was Matt Flynn who threw the game away all night.
Is it so hard to recognize that the program appears to be on the upswing with experienced gained in some key positions that should help us out tremendously next year?
Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:19 pm to mike4lsu
Seems I've said this about 5 times the last 3 days...
So I guess I agree.
So I guess I agree.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:26 pm to chilge1
Good points with the Arkansas game....Flynn situation...Basically it, just seems the swagger, confidence, excitement over the last 2 years is just gone. We're just kind of out there. We don't really do anything that great, just blah.
I think all the top tier SEC Teams have about the same amount of talent. The question is: What can be done to scheme them up and coach them up. The next 2 years will tell the tale for Miles....offensive production has to improve, intensity, and in-game coaching decisions. I like Les Miles, he's a great guy, good person. But that being said the last 2 years have left a lot to be desired on the field.
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Is it so hard to recognize that the program appears to be on the upswing with experienced gained in some key positions that should help us out tremendously next year?
I think all the top tier SEC Teams have about the same amount of talent. The question is: What can be done to scheme them up and coach them up. The next 2 years will tell the tale for Miles....offensive production has to improve, intensity, and in-game coaching decisions. I like Les Miles, he's a great guy, good person. But that being said the last 2 years have left a lot to be desired on the field.
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:31 pm to jrich11
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Is Miles making the same mistake Mike Archer did
cant develope talent? im guessing that he didnt coach up the team that won a national championship in 07? those seniors spent 1 or 2 years with nick saban and were ready to win it the next year? probably didnt even go to les's practices huh? probably just hung out in tigerland all day for 3 years and waited to show everyone what nick taught em? give me a break.
Really man? Do we really need to have this argument? You are right, we are fools, the coaching job Miles did in '07 will go down in history as definately one of the two or three best coaching performances in college football history. He won a NC because of his superior coaching and intense motivational skills. Thank God for Les Miles, we may never see excellence like that again. Now, make this site bearable and hold your breath for twenty minutes.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 2:34 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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the coaching job Miles did in '07 will go down in history as definately one of the two or three best coaching performances in college football history. He won a NC because of his superior coaching and intense motivational skills. Thank God for Les Miles, we may never see excellence like that again
Posted on 2/1/10 at 3:33 pm to mike4lsu
quote:yeah same mistake that Saban made. Stupid to recruit nationally. Neve gets you anywhere. Oh wait. what about Dwane Bowe (Fla.) Addai (Tex) Will Arnold (Ms.) Matt Flynn (Tx) Jamarcuss Russell (Al.) Br4ett Helms (Ark) Chevis Jackson (Al) Herman Johnson (Tx) Lafell (Tx) Richard Dickson (Ms.)just to name a few. I agree recruiting on a national scale is for the birds
Mike Archer wanted to recruit Texas and other states
Posted on 2/1/10 at 3:36 pm to LaBR4
quote:You have just described the last 2.5 seasons since the bulk of Saban-coached players have left the stage. It isn't because of their superior native talent (the Saban recruits); it is because the ethic of excellence drilled into their hides by Nick and his crew was allowed to evaporate under the laissez faire administration of Les Miles & Co.
Basically it, just seems the swagger, confidence, excitement over the last 2 years is just gone. We're just kind of out there. We don't really do anything that great, just blah.
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 2/1/10 at 3:39 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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Really man? Do we really need to have this argument? You are right, we are fools, the coaching job Miles did in '07 will go down in history as definately one of the two or three best coaching performances in college football history. He won a NC because of his superior coaching and intense motivational skills. Thank God for Les Miles, we may never see excellence like that again. Now, make this site bearable and hold your breath for twenty minutes.
After the NC game everyone EVERYONE was saying Miles outcoached Tressel who at the time everyone considered one of the great minds in college football. Does Miles have weaknesses? yes. Clock management is an obivious one, but to say everything good that happens is in spite of Miles and everything bad is because of him is asinine.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 3:50 pm to LaBR4
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Les Miles' problems:
1. Player Developement once they get on campus.
myth. There a some players in the NFL right now that would disagree. Every year there are 4 and 5 stars all over the country that just can't cut it at the next level.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 3:56 pm to big70
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After the NC game everyone EVERYONE was saying Miles outcoached Tressel who at the time everyone considered one of the great minds in college football. Does Miles have weaknesses? yes. Clock management is an obivious one, but to say everything good that happens is in spite of Miles and everything bad is because of him is asinine.
I totally agree, he out coached Jim Tressel while having superior talent. But can you tell me what happened against Rich Brooks and Houston Nutt? Has Miles ever been outcoached? And for almost 4million a yr, should whomever is our head coach be marginal? To me, if you are a top-knotch program and are paying top tier salary, then the argument that we should be having is "Is our coach great or really really good?" On this site, every day, we debate whether our coach can spell his name or not.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 3:59 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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I totally agree, he out coached Jim Tressel while having superior talent. But can you tell me what happened against Rich Brooks and Houston Nutt? Has Miles ever been outcoached?
Every coach loses games they shouldn't...it happens.
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And for almost 4million a yr, should whomever is our head coach be marginal? To me, if you are a top-knotch program and are paying top tier salary, then the argument that we should be having is "Is our coach great or really really good?"
You don't compile the resume and record he has over his career by being an average coach.
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On this site, every day, we debate whether our coach can spell his name or not.
Only the idiots.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 4:02 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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ut can you tell me what happened against Rich Brooks and Houston Nutt? Has Miles ever been outcoached?
Rich Brooks-whoever's job it is to make sure scott was in failed. Ultimately thats on Miles. Houston Nutt-Was it you who said earlier that his NC was because of Pelini-Well Pelini sucked on that day.
Yes he has problems. I said that in my post. However to act like he had nothing to do with the good stuff as several on this board and this thread do is ridiculous. What we have seen is that Miles certainly has the capability to be great-VT OSU GT games come to mind. There were some problems the past two years that were out of his control (RP, lack of oline depth due to RP clones, etc.) and some within (Ole Miss and Penn State). However from all the comments from him this offseason it seems like he has a renewed commitment and we will see a focused team next year.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 4:24 pm to chilge1
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yet it was Bo Pelini's defense that gave up nearly 50 points to that Arkansas team
How stupid. Arkie scored 28 in regulation in that game. The rest came in overtime. If you are counting overtime scoring, by the way, then it was not "nearly" 50 points, it WAS 50.
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Is it so hard to recognize that the program appears to be on the upswing with experienced gained in some key positions that should help us out tremendously next year?
I think the troubling word in that sentence is "should". With this staff, we just don't seem to accomplish what we "should" any more. Nobody on the team is getting any better. Jefferson is exactly the same quarterback today that he was two years ago today. The OL has regressed under the current staff. There's just no reason to think we'll get any better next year.
And the program only "appears to be on the upswing" to those who refuse to be honest with themselves or anyone else.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 4:26 pm to big70
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from all the comments from him this offseason it seems like he has a renewed commitment
For four million fricking dollars he wasn't committed THIS fricking year?
Posted on 2/1/10 at 4:30 pm to mike4lsu
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Mike Archer wanted to recruit Texas and other states and this lead to Louisiana recruits going elsewhere and thus began the decline of LSU football all through the 1990s.
Prop 48 killed Archer..
Miles is signing Top 5 classes and 99% of them qualify.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 4:31 pm to mike4lsu
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Miles' recruitment of Mike Davis and Justin Hunter over Fobbs, Reed etc.
Actually, I think recruiting is the least of Miles' problems. Infact, it's not a problem at all.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 4:37 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I think the troubling word in that sentence is "should". With this staff, we just don't seem to accomplish what we "should" any more. Nobody on the team is getting any better. Jefferson is exactly the same quarterback today that he was two years ago today. The OL has regressed under the current staff. There's just no reason to think we'll get any better next year.
Living in DC will do this to a man. Jefferson is exactly the same and no one on the team is getting any better. No one and exactly. Guess it depends on the definition of "is"
Posted on 2/1/10 at 4:51 pm to knockers
Every thing Miles does is dropping off. His coaching and now recruiting.
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