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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:17 am to LSUfan4444
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:17 am to LSUfan4444
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but against a better defense and performed MUCH better
ehh, the Ole Miss d-line is the best in the conference probably. Plus again, it comes to practice time. Miles admitted Jefferson had nearly none. Its not all just about passing though. Lee can't take a hit and he won't. He plays the game scared. And if he doesn't have a receiver open, you have absolutely no run option because he's slower than a statue.
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:18 am to Maximus
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is Lee not surrounded by a good offense? I only see one hole on that O.
No doubt. I will say that Byrd has underperformed, BIG TIME. Dude has been a disappointment the entire year. The WR's have dropped balls consistently.
Like I've said in the post above, I think the way the he has played, his confidence is shot to go along with the rest of the team's confidence. I just don't think there's any confidence on the offensive side of the ball whatsoever, in turn there have been a plethora of mistakes. You can blame that on coaching, but I'm sorry, you can't coach confidence. THAT is up to the players. Emotion is their own responsibility. college football thrives on emotion and success and when neither one of them are there, you look like shite. Just like LSU has all year.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:18 am to LSUfan4444
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Lee was thrust into basically the same situation against Auburn as JJ was against Ole Miss
how? everyone knew Lee was gonna get alot of time.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:19 am to Maximus
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only see one hole on that O.
well, our o-line looks like a turnstile sometimes.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:19 am to Elleshoe
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He had an extra year in the system.
I honestly don't think this is relevant. Lee was a RS last year and he's not getting the attention or the reps that Flynn, Perrilloux, and Hatch are getting. I'd imagine that's just the way it works. You're not going to get the same amount of coaching that these guys get.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:21 am to IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
If Lee was still playing like he did in the 2nd half at Auburn, conversations about him here would be completely different. But he hasn't...his play has gotten worse with experience.
You can't take each guys first 30 passes as a snapshot of how their careers are going to pan out. If Jefferson plays poorly on Friday, then you will have an arguement. But if he progresses......???
Let it play out.
You can't take each guys first 30 passes as a snapshot of how their careers are going to pan out. If Jefferson plays poorly on Friday, then you will have an arguement. But if he progresses......???
Let it play out.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:22 am to jaxfl tiger
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If Lee was still playing like he did in the 2nd half at Auburn, conversations about him here would be completely different. But he hasn't...his play has gotten worse with experience.
You can't take each guys first 30 passes as a snapshot of how their careers are going to pan out. If Jefferson plays poorly on Friday, then you will have an arguement. But if he progresses......???
Let it play out.
great point. Lee looks worse in every single game
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:23 am to Elleshoe
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ehh, the Ole Miss d-line is the best in the conference probably
auburns D is still better as a whole
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again, it comes to practice time. Miles admitted Jefferson had nearly none
miles had been saying for weeks it was time for JJ to see more action. the no practice time excuse is not a very good one. he (as lee going into auburn) was preparing as the backup who was expected to come in for certain series to run the first team offense
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Lee can't take a hit and he won't. He plays the game scared.
again, how much if that do you think has to do with the processes he has gone though to this point
through the point we are in with JJ's career, Lee has outplayed him. now, how would JJ be reacting if he was the one under the microscope like lee. Lee had all the pressure against ole miss.....JJ had none
hell, he played pretty bad and people are still naming him next years starter
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if he doesn't have a receiver open, you have absolutely no run option because he's slower than a statue.
he doesn't like to run...that is one of his faults, but there are no flawless qb's playing anywhere, at any level
he has MANY positives and if his wr's would catch his deep passes more often, maybe that would be realized a little more
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:23 am to Prominentwon
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No doubt. I will say that Byrd has underperformed, BIG TIME. Dude has been a disappointment the entire year. The WR's have dropped balls consistently.
no doubt. A lot of that comes from them/him quitting on Lee though. When you can only run one route and it takes Lee 8-9 games to be able to throw it within 20 yards of you on that route, that happens.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:24 am to Elleshoe
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how? everyone knew Lee was gonna get alot of time.
are you saying JJ was not expected to play? miles had been saying for weeks JJ was to get more pt
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:25 am to jaxfl tiger
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You can't take each guys first 30 passes as a snapshot of how their careers are going to pan out. If Jefferson plays poorly on Friday, then you will have an arguement. But if he progresses......???
Let it play out.
all you can do is compare the first 30 passes, because thatis all you have to compare
you can't look at JJ and say how he would have reacted if he was put through the same things Lee has
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But if he progresses......???
then he would probably equal what Lee did in his first two games in SEC with signifcant time against auburn and MSU
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:25 am to LSUfan4444
I'm not sure how Lee fits into Crowton's offense. Obviously Jefferson's skill sets fit better anyway. Its going to be an open compeition and I think if Jefferson can improve these next 2 games and in the spring, he's the guy with Shep playing an RP type role. That guy is getting on the field next year.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:25 am to Prominentwon
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What I think it is, is that he's going into the game with play-calling like he doesn't have a limited RS freshman QB behind center.
Which I think is part of the problem. Crowton shouldn't change his offense completely but he should adapt to the abilities and limitations of the personnel. With green QBs, I think we should've been running more than we have this season.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:26 am to LSUfan4444
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are you saying JJ was not expected to play? miles had been saying for weeks JJ was to get more pt
not nearly in that capacity. some draws, some option.
Plus, JJ was forced to make passes against Ole Miss with no threat of a running game like we had against Auburn. Our o-line was getting daddied by Ole Miss plus, Lee put Jefferson in a 21-3 hole nearly forcing us to pass.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:28 am to Elleshoe
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he's the guy with Shep playing an RP type role. That guy is getting on the field next year.
Don't expect the kid to come in and be a superstar right off. you guys have to remember there's a huge difference between high school and college. Obviously. I'm really hoping people don't expect so much out of him. He may very well have an RP type role, but to expect him to do the same things that RP did would just unfair.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:29 am to Elleshoe
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I'm not sure how Lee fits into Crowton's offense. Obviously Jefferson's skill sets fit better anyway. Its going to be an open compeition and I think if Jefferson can improve these next 2 games and in the spring, he's the guy with Shep playing an RP type role. That guy is getting on the field next year.
i agree 100%...RS will have his packages and lee and JJ will battle it out all offseason. i just hope miles has his mind made up at the end of spring. even though we all know he won't announce it
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:30 am to OldIowaTiger
My bad. I was really scratchin my head on that one thinking "how can this guy not have heard this joke by now" because I've also heard it 38 times since the bama game. Unfortunately I didn't know that it was a recurring thing from years past and from across state lines. My sincerest appologies 
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:30 am to Prominentwon
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Don't expect the kid to come in and be a superstar right off. you guys have to remember there's a huge difference between high school and college. Obviously. I'm really hoping people don't expect so much out of him. He may very well have an RP type role, but to expect him to do the same things that RP did would just unfair.
naw. i dont think he'll do much passing at all. 5-6 option plays a game. Some draws and passing on some roll outs. 12 snaps a game maybe I could see
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:30 am to amiznit
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With green QBs, I think we should've been running more than we have this season.
they've tried. Look what Alabama and Ole Miss did. Stacked 8-9 in the box and now what? Crowton HAS to install passing packages. If they aren't executed correctly though, he looks bad, which is unfortunate.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:30 am to Elleshoe
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Plus, JJ was forced to make passes against Ole Miss with no threat of a running game like we had against Auburn
thats ticky tac...by the same token you can say Lee's passes against Auburn were more important b/c in great part......the fate of beating a top 10 team, on the road hung in the balance....with JJ, not so much
Lee outplayed JJ to date in their careers, i know you have to agree with that
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