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re: is it right to blame coaching?

Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:08 am to
Posted by TigerJeff
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:08 am to
Agree, although I wonder who LSU would get that would do better than Miles. The team has a very good chance of going 10-1, maybe sneaking into playoffs. Number one rated recruiting class coming in next yr. Things could be worse.

That said, I see the Alabama coaches mixing it up, being unpredictable, while Les Miles and staff, (as Clubber Lang described Rocky), "are stupid. They come right at you. They're predictable."
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112663 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:08 am to
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Now ask yourself for the sake of defending Miles. If the coaching staffs were switched would it be the same outcome considering the approach to the games?


This is very simple.

If on Sunday, October 25, 2015 you switched the complete staffs of the teams with each other, there is ZERO question that LSU would have won the game on November 7, 2015...and handily.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
10853 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:10 am to
Miles thinks he can beat Saban at his own game and he can't. It's his fault for doing the same thing over and over thinking one day it's going to work. A coach should change a game plan according to opponents weaknesses. Les does not. Title goes through Tuscaloosa. Les has known this for a few years but he refuses to adapt. He will win 10 games in a year and saban will win 11. This is LSU football until Saban retires..

I mean, do we give all the credit to the BAMA players for being the reason they are good every year? It's part of it, because some guy went out and recruited the best. Then that "guy" coaches them....teaches them the sport and adapts a game plan for each game.



Posted by DTRooster
Belle River, La
Member since Dec 2013
8885 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:10 am to
yeah but Lord Saban has a natty to offset each Aubie loss. There is a difference
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:14 am to
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Colonel Flagg


Bingo!

It's not real difficult to defend an offense when you know who is getting the ball. Saban ran what was essentially a run blitz on almost every play. Miles' approach is horrible.

Just putting in another running back would have helped. Notice how Williams got the first down as fullback? With this offense there is no eye candy because the likelihood of the ball going to someone else is zero.



Posted by tc5140
Member since Jul 2009
782 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:16 am to
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Nick Saban has lost to Auburn 3 times


He got a pass because Newton was a freak athlete no one had an answer for to replace him with.

I know the last time he lost on the field goal fiasco. There were a lot of fans pissed as we are now.

The point is 4mil/yr should have a higher degree of accountability.




Posted by panterica
Member since Jun 2012
1274 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:17 am to
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Sports radio guy made a good point this morning: this game has been lost in February in the past 5 years. And there's no one else responsible for February.


That's true. There are a total of 0 coaches who have pulled in more talent than Saban in any of the last five years. But compared to the rest of the college football world, Les and his staff have done better. They're poised to do better than Saban in the next three years.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85392 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:18 am to
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The point is 4mil/yr should have a higher degree of accountability.


serious question: You think Miles should be fired this week?
Posted by CRAZY 4 LSU
Member since Apr 2006
16903 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:19 am to
It's so easy to say, the players this, the players that, in trying to find an explanation for a performance like Saturday. Ultimately, yes it is the players who have to step up and execute. However, it's so apparent the impact that coaching can have in this sport. Look no further than what McElwain and Harbaugh are doing in their first years. Look what Saban does every year regardless of personnel or coaching changes.

It's so simple what these past 5 years can be boiled down to, there's really no need to look further. It's Miles vs. Saban. One is drastically better than the other and will have the others number until they stop coaching. I'm not saying fire Miles or anything, I'm just saying it's not some mystery as to why Alabama has beaten us 5 times in a row.
Posted by Magicmikeforlsu
Cenla
Member since Oct 2012
1772 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:22 am to
Coaches are the ones that draw up game plans, if I'm not mistaken. It absolutely correct to lay a large portion of the blame on coaching. Saban prepared his team for 2 weeks to stop Founette, Miles prepared his team for 2 weeks to do the same thing. Our game plan is unbelievably predictable.
Posted by LSUdubai
Dubai, UAE
Member since Oct 2010
266 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:23 am to
Obvious answer is we were outcoached. You prepare your team schematically as well as psychologically. LSU players thought they were gonna just run all over Bama, like most previous teams...like they had been coached up for 2 weeks.

Pathetic.

Meanwhile Bama "game planned". A phrase Miles needs to learn.
Posted by tc5140
Member since Jul 2009
782 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:30 am to
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serious question: You think Miles should be fired this week?


It may appear I hate Miles but that simply is not true.

I really like the guy but his system/approach doesn't work and he is stubborn to the point of a hot seat won't motivate him.

I would be looking for his replacement at this moment in all honesty. If I were the AD I would earn my money in making the right decision. It would be stupid to fire Miles without a plan.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:31 am
Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5653 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:40 am to
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Sports radio guy made a good point this morning: this game has been lost in February in the past 5 years. And there's no one else responsible for February.


That's total BS. If the player knows what play is coming there is no way to block him. Bottom line: we got out coached and out "game planned" AGAIN.
Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4237 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:44 am to
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Sports radio guy made a good point this morning: this game has been lost in February in the past 5 years. And there's no one else responsible for February.


Sounds about right. Les has been a one trick pony for awhile now. I used to think he was stubborn but I honestly don't think he has the skills to navigate thru the process of implementing a successful multi-dimensional offense. Les is old now and comfortable with what he knows and resistant to shaking up his comfort zone. He knows where he stands now with Aleva and doesn't have to worry about making drastic changes to his system. He is collecting a handsome paycheck and as long as he can continue being the social butterfly on the recruiting trail he knows he is on firm ground in Baton Rouge. He does not need to worry about the 12 month (or more) process of implementing a new offensive philosophy and all the headaches regarding coaching hires and learning new plays and schemes and teaching something different to the players. Its a lot of work and its hard. Les got his Natty early. He got back again too. That was the 2011 season. Les feels he has done his work. He is still basking in that glory. We are headed towards 5 years past.

Me personally, I don't think he deserves what he is getting paid. That old fashioned one dimensional look wont win LSU anymore Nattys and Les is not capable of making the commitment to meaningful changes. Its too much work and its hard. I wont call him stupid but sometimes he does make me wonder. Saban seems to at least earn his paycheck in that he still has enough of the fire to overcome Les. That wont change because Les cant change.
Posted by WMLSU43
West monroe
Member since Jan 2014
8 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:20 am to
Our offense was way to predictable. Their D knew exactly what we were going to run before the snap of the football. Miles is about the most stubborn person or individual I have ever seen. He will not adjust on offense in big games. You can't beat Alabama trying to run the ball up the middle and they know that is what is coming. So many weapons on offense and he refuses to use them. If the play calling was more balance all season long we would of beat Alabama. Miles refuses to adapt.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
4130 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:25 am to
frick february.

that's a fricking shite excuse.

our guys are good enough to win this game on a 50/50 basis. we just don't because of the stubbornness of this staff.

this was awful game planning. miles and staff ignored their weaknesses, inflated their own opinions of their strengths, and refused to change when their plan didn't work. period
Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4237 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:38 am to
Stop saying he refuses to change. That implies that he could if he wanted to. The correct statement to me is that he is incapable of change because he doesn't have the skill set to change offensive philosophy at this point. In order to gameplan different wrinkles into games you have to implement a whole different year round philosophy and Les can't successfully do that without overhauling everything. Saban does it and works at it year round. Les is happy drawing his 333,000 per month doing what he is doing. It's too much on him mentally to change.
Posted by tc5140
Member since Jul 2009
782 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:44 am to
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Les is happy drawing his 333,000 per month doing what he is doing. It's too much on him mentally to change.


"The only thing better than a crawfish dinner is five crawfish dinners" - Red Beaulieu
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:51 am
Posted by lovemytigers1
far away land
Member since Aug 2014
1021 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:54 am to
In the end of year LSU will be 8-3 and lose in bowl game and after what recruits saw in miles coaching, LSU will be lucky to end up in top 10.
How many coaches go down beacuse of assist. coaches and too stubborn to change his ways.
Posted by onlyone
Evans Mills NY
Member since Jul 2013
70 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:55 am to
Hell to the yeah!!
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