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re: Is it arrogance or confidence that Coach Orgeron possesses
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:19 pm to BayouBengals18
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:19 pm to BayouBengals18
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Being an interim is not even close to the same thing as being a full time HC. He was gifted two very talented rosters both times in his interim stints.
Wrong. Being an interim coach IS close to being a full time head coach, except you don't have any time to fix the idiot decisions that the former HC made to get himself fired.
Hmmmm... So a FULL time head coach can't do squat with the talent and gets fired but when O steps in and turns it around here and at USC you give him no credit for doing what a "real HC" couldn't do with the same talent!!!
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Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:21 pm to Space Cowboy
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If you would have hired an offensive coordinator or a defensive coordinator with no head coaching experience, and destroyed a great recruiting class at the same time, even though Coach O was far more successful than Les Miles and Lane Kiffin but yet still wasn’t worthy enough according to a loon like you to be the head coach of LSU, then who would you have hired?
I know you were asking someone else, but the answer is Jimbo Fisher. He and Aranda would wreck shite. And don't give some shite about he wasn't coming, either. If LSU had ponied up the 7-7.5 mil/year he countered with, we'd have a top 5 coach (And he could be his own OC on the same level or better than Canada), the recruiting class would be intact, the offense would be innovative and spectacular, AND we would have the NCAA's best developer of quarterbacks. And that investment would pay for itself just like it has for Bama. Essentially LSU would be getting JF for around 6m/year as HC and 1.5m as OC (what they are paying Canada).
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:09 pm to buccaneer88
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This thread brought the dumbasses.
Well,,,,it brought out you.
What will it take for some Tiger fans to let this coaching hire go? Frankly, I doubt anything will, even a national championship or two. Our fan base is built that way, nothing satisfies them.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:26 pm to BayouBengals18
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Being an interim is not even close to the same thing as being a full time HC.
I know, it’s harder. But nevertheless, even though it is harder, Coach O still won games when two head coaches, Lane Kiffin and Les Myles couldn’t.
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He was gifted two very talented rosters both times in his interim stints.
Really? Well, I’ll be, but nevertheless he won with those teams when the previous coaches couldn’t. Why did he do that? Because he is incompetent as you stupidly assume like a loon
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Both were preseason top 5 teams that stumbled out of the gate.
It doesn’t matter if they were both rated number one. Their previous head coaches couldn’t win games and Coach O could.
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Both had very stubborn HC that seemed to do the same things that weren't working, over and over.
Whatever the excuse was didn't matter. Coach O was able to win with those players and the previous head coaches couldn’t win.
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I honestly wasn't watching much USC football in 2013, so basically all I know is he beat a #5(I think) Stanford, but lost to their two biggest rivals, UCLA and Norte Dame.
Well, that’s your problem, not mine.
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At LSU, after a 2-2 start, he inserted some energy back into the team, feasted on horrible horrible defenses, and managed to lead us to a combined 10 points at home against the only legit defenses the team faced. And with Florida, their defense was depleted, not to mention the Sugar Bowl was on the line.
With respect to Alabama, Coach O’s tigers gave them the best game all season long until they played Clemson and lost in the national championship game. Nonetheless, the reason we lost that game to Alabama wasn’t because of Danny Etling, our offensive line, or Coach O, instead it was because of the fact that we were still forced to play Les Mile’s utterly incompetent offense, as Alabama obviously knew most of our offensive plays coming before the ball was snapped.
With respect to Florida, that was a fluke game. Coach O didn’t have anything to do with the outcome of that game. We should have won that game by 21 points, but due to unforeseen circumstances beyond Coach O’s control, uncharacteristic mistakes were made in that game by certain players that cost us a victory. Florida got very, very lucky that night to leave LSU with a victory. Nonetheless, anyone that viewed that game saw that LSU was clearly a far superior team relative to Florida in any event.
Thus, I can only conclude based on your unhinged perception that you are extremely severely mentally handicapped.
Moreover, please explain why sacrificing an excellent recruiting class would have been worth it to hire someone else besides Coach O, and who would you have hired in his place. What is his name? Also, explain why you believe he was better qualified than Coach O and also a coach that would have been worthy enough to sacrifice an excellent recruiting class at the same time.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:41 pm to Space Cowboy
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Their previous head coaches couldn’t win games and Coach O could.
I wanted Les gone, but thinking he couldn't go 6-2, or even 7-1(beating Florida) is absurd. Especially since Etling was just starting to get comfortable when Les got canned. And just so we're clear, I wanted Les gone in 2015.
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due to unforeseen circumstances beyond Coach O’s control, uncharacteristic mistakes were made in that game by certain players that cost us a victory. Florida got very, very lucky that night to leave LSU with a victory. Nonetheless, anyone that viewed that game saw that LSU was clearly a far superior team relative to Florida in any event.
It's the HC's responsibility to have the team ready to play, especially with the Sugar Bowl on the line. Early in O's interim stint, the talk was that if O went undefeated, he may get the gig. Then after Bama, that loss was ok because we held them to 10 points, and played really well, except on offense. Then the Florida loss wasn't his fault. The goalposts keep getting moved.
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Moreover, please explain why sacrificing an excellent recruiting class would have been worth it to hire someone else besides Coach O, and who would you have hired in his place. What is his name? Also, explain why you believe he was better qualified than Coach O and also a coach that would have been worthy enough to sacrifice an excellent recruiting class at the same time.
There's no guarantee that the class would've fallen apart. This is just a talking point that O supporters use because he did hold the class together. Larry Fedora is a better coach than O, Jimbo is a better coach and would've had the class at the same level, if not better. Alleva just bitched out when Jimbo countered. Also, losing a few guys from one recruiting class is worth not having one of the most unqualified coaches in college football lead our program.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:43 pm to SeekGreatness
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I know you were asking someone else, but the answer is Jimbo Fisher.
Well, I supported hiring Jimbo Fisher, but for whatever reason he refused to come to LSU.
I don’t know if it was all about money with Jimbo, neither do you, but nonetheless if you would have paid that 7 to 7.5 million dollars a year, maybe Alleva could have hired him. Why didn’t you pay it?
However, I don’t think it was all about money with Jimbo. I think he didn’t want to leave what he had going in Tallahassee. I can’t say that I blame him.
Nonetheless, I was like you praying we would get him, but then when it didn’t pan out we had to regroup and do what was best for the program.
Now I never ever wanted Tom Herman and still don’t want him. It doesn’t matter he wasn’t coming to LSU in any event.
Meanwhile, after those two were exhausted, given the circumstances, I didn’t see anyone decent we could have realistically hired better than Coach O. So yes, I supported his hire and still do.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:46 pm to BayouBengals18
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I wanted Les gone, but thinking he couldn't go 6-2, or even 7-1(beating Florida) is absurd.
Yeah assuming Les would have gone 6 and 2 or 7 and 1 confirms what I said. Indeed, you are severely mentally handicapped.
Oh...I almost forgot, you didn't name a name of a coach you would have hired given the situation who would have been a better hire than Coach O and also worthy of sacrificing an excellent recruiting class for.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:54 pm to Space Cowboy
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Yeah assuming Les would have gone 6 and 2 or 7 and 1 confirms what I said. Indeed, you are severely mentally handicapped
You're the one that thinks O was the best hire for LSU, but I'm mentally handicapped? FOH
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you didn't name a name of a coach you would have hired given the situation who would have been a better hire than Coach O and also worthy of sacrificing an excellent recruiting class.
I did. I'm on mobile, so I answered your questions one by one so I could quote them.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:59 pm to BayouBengals18
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You're the one that thinks O was the best hire for LSU, but I'm mentally handicapped? FOH
I keep asking you to name a name given the circumstances who according to you would have been a better hire than Coach O and one worthy of sacrificing an excellent recruiting class for, but for some odd reason you continue to dodge my question. If you are going to say we could have easily hired someone better given the circumstances, then who? Put your money where your mouth is moonbat! Who? Name him!
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:01 pm to BayouBengals18
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You're the one that thinks O was the best hire for LSU, but I'm mentally handicapped? FOH
Okay, put your money where your mouth is, name him. Put up or shut up.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:03 pm to Space Cowboy
I gave you two names. One of them did apparently turn us down because Alleva has no balls, but the other was definitely an option, or should've been. He's also one of the best offensive minds in the country, and can develop the hell out of QB's.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:24 pm to BayouBengals18
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Larry Fedora is a better coach than O, Jimbo is a better coach and would've had the class at the same level, if not better. Alleva just bitched out when Jimbo countered. Also, losing a few guys from one recruiting class is worth not having one of the most unqualified coaches in college football lead our program.
Well I heard Fedora wasn’t even available because he had just recently agreed to a new 7-year contract extension to 2022, and given his record at North Carolina, he certainly wasn’t a hire worthy of sacrificing a great recruiting class for over Coach O. Moreover, you mentally handicapped Einstein, you don’t know if he is a better coach than Coach O. You’re assuming he is better, just like you assumed also like a loon that Mile’s would have going 6 and 2 or 7 and 1 had he not been fired. In other words, you are a mentally handicapped lunatic.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:37 pm to Space Cowboy
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Moreover, you mentally handicapped Einstein, you don’t know if he is a better coach than Coach O.
I'm mentally handicapped because I think a guy that's had a lot of success as a HC and developing QB's in the ACC is a better HC than O? Would you like for me to compare Fedora and O's HC records for you? Because it wouldn't favor your argument. At all.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:57 pm to TrueTigerTale
Joie de vivre
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:18 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Yes I did....a coach that was clearly declining....a coach that was producing a brand of football that was boring and predictable...a coach that had lost his nerve....a coach that was leading us to mediocre bowl games....and a coach that had become Saban's biotch....AND SO DID YOU!!!
I did not want Miles fired after the title game in 2011.
my point was that you think O isn't being treated fairly and yet you wanted the previous coach fired for losing in the national title game.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:21 pm to la_birdman
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USC improved after O took over. That's a fact.
improved by losing to the only 2 decent defenses we played in the regular season.
winning 7 out of 9 games is right around miles' career win % at lsu.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:37 pm to Space Cowboy
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Again, why wasn't Coach O awful at USC and at LSU during his two interim head coaching stints as you claim he is?
if o was so great during his interim tenures why has no ad offered him even a DC position? why was he unemployed when Miles hired him.
Youve repeatedly said that miles not getting job offers proves he sucked as a coach.
using your own ignorant logic, ed orgeron must be one of the worst head coach and and coordinator because for 29 of his 32 year career no ad has thought enough of his coaching to give him a coordinators job.
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Coach O is the worst coach in the history of college footba
literally never said this.
I said he is one of the most unqualified hires in big 6 history.
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Indeed, Coach O won, when the other two head coaches he replaced couldn’t win. Why?
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Not to mention, you say Coach O isn’t even worthy of being a head coach at LS
he isn't. he had never run a successful side of the ball or a successful program.
Ed Orgeron wouldn't be in any sec AD's top 5 candidates for defensive coordinator.
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that we would have been better off crashing an excellent recruiting class to hire someone else.
speculation
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didn’t ask Broski to be stupid like you are, I asked him who? To name who he would have hired. Not to dodge my question like you did.
the sad part is that i didn't dodge shite. every single successful coordinator has a better resume than O. every single successful head coach has a better resume than O.
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then who would you have hired?
any coordinator that has proven they can run a successful side of the ball.
any head coach that doesnt have the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures.
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What’s to matter moonbat, you can’t read?
I answered. youre just too stupid to realize what I said is true.
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If you would have hired anyone who has proven they can run a successful program, and at the same time destroyed an excellent recruiting class that we would have to pay for in the future
speculation
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even though Coach O was far more successful than either Mile
o lost to the only decent sec teams he played. he lost at home to a 14 point underdog that was missing tons of defensive starters.
winning 7 of 9 games is right around Miles' career win %
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Coach O has proven he can run a successful program at two different schools
the only time he has run a program it culminated in the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures.
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o, I ask the question you dodged again, why wasn't Coach O awful at USC and at LSU during his two interim head coaching stints
because it wasnt his programs. the only time o has been allowed to put his stamp on a program was at ole miss.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:38 pm to RedTigerRulz
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I agree Rick but that still doesnt make CEO wrong for taking the job.
agreed. I'm not saying he should have turned it down.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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the only time he has run a program it culminated in the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures.
He's going to tell you over and over we had to hire O because the recruiting class would've fallen apart if we hired anyone else. Which nobody knows what would've happened with the class. I would actually say that O did such a good job of holding the class together, that had Alleva hired a qualified coach, they would've been set up nicely.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:08 pm to BayouBengals18
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I'm mentally handicapped because I think a guy that's had a lot of success as a HC and developing QB's in the ACC is a better HC than O? Would you like for me to compare Fedora and O's HC records for you? Because it wouldn't favor your argument. At all.
Go ahead if it will make you feel better. But I already know about Coach O’s record. He was hired by Ole Miss because the previous head coach wasn’t winning many games. Then for three years, Coach O couldn’t win many games either with that other coach’s players. Sort of like Charlie Strong at Texas, couldn’t win many games either with another coach’s crummy players.
Then Ole Miss decided to fire him before his fourth year of his contract and hire Houston Nutt instead, who came in and won with Coach O’s players for three years in a row until Coach O’s players all graduated.
Then suddenly Coach Houston Nutt couldn’t win with his own players after Coach O’s players had graduated and ended up getting fired himself. Then Ole Miss hired Hugh Escort Freeze and I think everyone knows the rest of the story from there.
In any event, Coach Hugh Escort Freeze says that had Ole Miss given Coach O that fourth and final year of his contract, the program would have been turned around at that point, and Coach O would probably still be the head coach of Ole Miss to this day.
When asked about Coach O’s mistakes, Freeze’s said everyone makes stupid mistakes when they first become a head coach and then proceeded to list some of his stupid mistakes that he said he regretted making, but that’s how everyone learns. They learn via the school of hard knocks. You learn and go on. Unless they are like you, then they are absolutely perfect till the day they die. Ask Nick Saban if he made stupid mistakes when he first became a head coach and he will tell you, he made plenty of stupid mistakes. He wasn’t perfect like you ignorantly assume.
Not to mention, that Coach O also got with both Jimmy Johnson and coach Pete Carroll after he lost that Ole Miss job and went over every mistake that he perceived he made to learn from his mistakes. He wasn’t like you, he didn’t bury his head in the sand and cry over spilled milk. Coach O new he’d get another shot someday to be a head coach so he deliberately took steps to learn from his mistakes, and judging by his last two head coaching stints, he’s proven that he has not only learned from his previous mistakes but also that he can coach as well.
Not to mention that both Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll recommend Coach O with the highest recommendations. And as far as being a good coach, Coach O has coached more than his fair share of NFL greats.
The only thing Coach O is guilty of is putting himself in a bad situation at Ole Miss, like Charlie Strong did at Texas. However, in Charlie Strong’s case, it was his second head coaching job so everyone other than Texas knew he was still a good coach. In the case of Coach O, it was his first head coaching stint. However, he adequately proved to most sane people that he was an excellent head coach during his two interim head coaching stints at two different universities. It’s only mentally handicapped moonbats like you and a few others who claim he is a horrible head coach, which is soon to be proven wrong in the very near term.
By the way, Fedora wasn’t leaving North Carolina in any event, as he loves the state and loves that job. In fact, Tennessee tried to hire him away from North Carolina a few years ago, and Fedora turned down far more money than he ever dreamed he would ever possibly earn in his lifetime to stay at North Carolina because he loves North Carolina. Not to mention, that he just signed a seven-year contract extension to 2022. He wasn’t leaving NC in any event. Thus, even though you demonize Coach O constantly like a mentally deficient lunatic, the truth was and still is there was no one better than Coach O at the time that would have taken that job and under those circumstances.
Indeed, you cry constantly about Coach O like you are a little titty baby, even though the coach you named isn’t any better and wasn’t going to leave North Carolina for LSU in any event.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 12:55 am
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