- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
1
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:20 pm to lsufball19
quote:
Vague and generic? Not really.
Then it should be easy to define.
quote:
so you do the math
Why? You're the one that bought it up. It really sounds like you're just making an argument for being cheap. Joe Dean in the 90's would be proud. Hopefully another Emmert comes along to get rid of that line of thinking again.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
Why cant Vandy get a Nick saban?
Because they are not stupid enough or value their worth based on what happens on a football field to pay a football coach over $7 million per year. Plain and simple
quote:
Why doesnt Wake forrest attract big name coaches?
See above response for Vandy.
Vanerbilt and Wake Forest are both private research universities. Using those two are as examples is smart when trying to argue why certain universities are successful in football and why others don't pay $7 million or more for big name coaches - unless you know both institutions are private research universities whose primary purpose is academics.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:22 pm to MOT
quote:
What if he doesn't work out?
Are you really this dense? You don't know what happens to a coach when he doesn't work out?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:24 pm to MOT
quote:
It really sounds like you're just making an argument for being cheap.
No I just don't think Herman was proven and worth the money it would have taken to hire him. Getting in a bidding war with Texas for a coach with marginal success at a non P5 program was not worth the price tag. And Jimbo would have taken Saban money to hire, also not worth the price tag. Then you had all the mid major HCs that have no idea what it's like to run a major P5 program.
And it's good business. LSU afforded itself big money to go towards making Aranda the highest paid assistant in the country and still having money left over to pay Canada what he wanted. It's not being cheap, clearly. LSU's staff is paid very well.
Face it, Orgeron wasn't the idiotic hire y'all want it to be. He kept the staff intact, kept the recruiting class in tact, fired the guys that needed to go, and has made great hires that needed to be made. Literally all you have to bitch about is his record from 10 years ago. You know how many of these young hot shot coaches actually turn into great head coahces? Not many. You know how many guys with significant head coaching experience and success were realistically available to hire? Zero. LSU could have ended up much, much worse than they did.
There was no Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, or Jim Harbaugh looking for a job to fall into our laps.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:28 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
Are you really this dense? You don't know what happens to a coach when he doesn't work out?
I know understanding context is difficult but you should try it. The other poster thinks it would be no big deal if he has to be fired because it means we saved money. What do you think?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:32 pm to MOT
quote:
Most people hate Alleva
I don't hate Alleva, but I do hate his resume of failed coaching searches and his history of hiring coaches that prove to be less than mediocre.
I don't hate O either, but I did hate the retarded search which told us the best LSU could do was a out of work DL coach, two years ago, who could never even get a DC position after being fired by Mississippi ten years ago.
I do want LSU to be great, but Alleva is far, far from being a great AD. Lets hope he is better picking football coaches than he has been picking basketball coaches.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:37 pm to MOT
quote:
The other poster thinks it would be no big deal if he has to be fired because it means we saved money.
speaking of context, that's not what I said or even inferred at allPosted on 1/23/17 at 9:42 pm to lsufball19
quote:
What if he doesn't work out?
quote:
If he doesn't work out, we're not dealing with a massive buyout like we would have if a guy like Herman didn't pan out.
It's on the previous page but I can provide the link if needed.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:48 pm to MOT
quote:
It's on the previous page but I can provide the link if needed.
yeah, that quote doesn't say what you said it does. i said it wouldn't be as bad if orgeron didn't work out as opposed to a hiring a guy like Herman (also a gamble at this stage in his career) and him not working out. Nowhere in that quote do I say it would be "ok" if Orgeron doesn't work out. I mean holy strawman argument
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:51 pm to lsufball19
I asked what if he doesn't work out and literally the only thing you mentioned was a cheaper buyout.
Obviously we would all be disappointed but that goes without saying. What didn't you mention that I was supposed to assume?
Obviously we would all be disappointed but that goes without saying. What didn't you mention that I was supposed to assume?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:59 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
Because they are not stupid enough or value their worth based on what happens on a football field to pay a football coach over $7 million per year. Plain and simpl
Holy shite. If you really believe that then you dont understand cfb coaching.
Its like you dont understand that the qualifications for the lsu job are higher than the qualifications for Vandy's hc job are vastly different.
If youre program hasnt won a conf title in 19 years then sure go ahead and gamble on a 41 year coach that has run a successful side of the ball.
If youre a program that has been one of the 5-7 best prograns in cfb since 2000,then hiring a coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program is unacceptable.
Please answer this time....
Would bama promote a position coach to hc?
Would Ohio State?
Would Michigan or amy other blue blood program?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:00 pm to LSU2THEMAX
Well he has at least made press conferences great again. Rather a straight shooter than Miles' canned crap.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:02 pm to lsufball19
quote:
opposed to a hiring a guy like Herman (also a gamble at this stage in his career)
Whats a bigger gamble?
A coach thatbhas had very successful years as an offensive coordinator and had a very successful tenure as a hc
Or
A coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program and his only hc tenure resulted in the worst tenure in ole miss history?
You know which one it is.
We all hope Coach O is very successful at lsu but dont sit here and piss on my shoes and tell me its raining in reference to this hire.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:03 pm to lsufball19
quote:
You know how many of these young hot shot coaches actually turn into great head coahces? Not many.
I don't have the numbers and neither do you, so I'll just say it is very likely to be more than the number of coaches who became ultra successful after previously failing on a historical level.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:05 pm to Tiger Ree
Please tell me that you dont really think the only difference between Nick saban being at Vandy and Saban being at Bama is Vandy's willingness to pay top $.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:07 pm to MOT
quote:
I asked what if he doesn't work out and literally the only thing you mentioned was a cheaper buyout.
I literally didn't say it would be ok either
quote:
What didn't you mention that I was supposed to assume?
nothing, what I said was pretty clear, and nothing of what I said was it would be ok if Orgeron doesn't pan out. However, him not working out would be an easier fix financially. Since you seem to be wanting to be obtuse, I'll spell it out for you:
Tom Herman just signed a 5 year 28.5 million dollar contract with Texas. It likely would have cost much more to hire him had we had to outbid Texas (
) but we'll use 28.5 million for the sake of argument. Let's say he is doing nothing after year 2. LSU is still staring at an 18 million dollar buyout to get rid of him plus putting up big money (again) to hire another coach "worthy of LSU's attention." Tom Herman is also unproven. Yes he's had 1 good season at a non P5 school. He is not worth 5.25 million+ with his resume. Ed Orgeron, conversely, just signed a 5 year 17.5 million dollar contract. If Orgeron is flat out not getting it done after 2 years, he are looking at a 10.5 million dollar buyout, about half of Herman's.
Now remember, Herman walked into his only shot as a HC taking over a team that were conference champs the year prior and went 12-1. Herman did well in year one and vastly under-performed in year 2. Ed Orgeron walked into Ole Miss coming off a 4 win season.
Additionally, by hiring Orgeron, LSU was afforded the luxury of having the budget to pay Aranda a ridiculous 1.9 million/year as well as Matt Canada 1.5 million per year. LSU was also able to maintain stability with the rest of the staff and keep together the recruiting class.
I could do comparisons on other "candidates" in terms of risk/reward, but is it really worth it? You've clearly made up your mind. But I'll leave you with this. You cannot not name one coach with HC experience and a sustained, proven track record at a P5 school that was ACTUALLY available. It just wasn't there, and that quite literally is the only scenario in which a large portion of the LSU fan base wouldn't have been complaining. Unfortunately, it's what LSU fans do best. HJimbo was not coming. Herman was not worth it. No other great options were available. So if you're the AD, what do you do? Try to maintain as much stability as possible or throw up a hail mary and pay someone like PJ Fleck a bunch of money and hope it works out.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
A coach thatbhas had very successful years as an offensive coordinator and had a very successful tenure as a hc
very successful? Herman has two years experience as a HC, one successful the other not so successful.
And Herman is not worth what it would have taken to get him. he just wasn't, and he wanted the Texas job. You really think we could have outbid Texas? Seriously? And even if we could have (we couldn't have), that would have come with a price tag of at least 6-7 million over 5-6 years? No, LSU hiring Orgeron was not a bigger gamble than it would have been taking on that kind of financial burden. Not by a long shot.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
Would bama promote a position coach to hc?
they've done it several times, budquote:
Would Ohio State?
the coach they hired before Urban Meyer had no FBS HC experience and hadn't coached in FBS football in almost 20 years
quote:
Would Michigan or amy other blue blood program?
Michigan simply promoted Lloyd Carr instead of conducting a coaching search. he had been an assistant for 25+ years and had zero HC experience. The horror
Phillip Fulmer had 20+ years of coaching experience, zero as a HC, was an interim and then promoted to HC at Tennessee
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:19 pm to lsufball19
quote:
very successful? Herman has two years experience as a HC, one successful the other not so successful. He took over a program team that went 12-1 the year before he took over.
You may want to check your facts, it would be a real shame if even the biggest Alleva apologists can't even take you seriously.
ETA: Also still waiting for you to mention any ramifications of Orgeron not working out that aren't tied to hiring him cheaper than more qualified candidates.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:22 pm
Page 5 of 21
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News