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re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
The anti Orgeron agenda is so obvious Rick lol.
Let's evaluate him on what he's done thus far as LSU's head coach and see what what does signing day and beyond. At least give him a season, fair?
Let's evaluate him on what he's done thus far as LSU's head coach and see what what does signing day and beyond. At least give him a season, fair?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:25 pm to MOT
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And still had more wins and accomplishments than Orgeron had in his tenure as head coach
CEO took over LSU after the Sept 24th game against Auburn. In the time he coached LSU he lost 2 games. In the same time with more talent than every team he faced except 1, Tom Herman lost 4 games. Tom Herman's accomplishments were with other coaches leading the wagon.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:26 pm to MOT
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Then Alleva is even worse than we originally thought.
Someone who hates Ed Orgeron would certainly think so.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:28 pm to blueboy
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My worst fear is that he'll be good enough to stick around long enough to run the program into the ground.
Catastrophe syndrome much? LSU fans are the wimpiest most cynical people walking the face of the earth.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:30 pm to Stephen1979
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The anti Orgeron agenda is so obvious Rick lol.
My god. It has nothing to do with the man himself. I wouldnt want any career position coach hired as lsu's head coach. I wouldnt want Ensminger as pur head coach and he was actually responsible for those record breaking offenses.
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Let's evaluate him on what he's done thus far as LSU's head coach
He gave Matt Canada a raise.
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what what does signing day and beyond
He was given a top 5 class by miles.
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At least give him a season, fair?
Are you under the impression that i will be cheering against LSU?
I hope O has the best tenure in lsu history. That wont make the process ,in which an unqualified coach was hired, any better.
Coach should be pretty successful goven the talent and coordinators. That doesnt chnage the fact that Alleva refused to do his job and have an actual coaching search. That wont chnage the fact that we hired a coach that has zero success as a coordinator or head coach. Thats shouldnt be acceptable at lsu.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:33 pm to Tiger Ree
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Catastrophe syndrome much?
Its not a catastrophe syndrome if we have already seen coach o do this. He went to an ole miss program that was 2 years removed from a 1 loss sec record and ran it into the ground.
We have seen orgeron jave the worst tenure in ole miss history. Let that sink in.
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LSU fans are the wimpiest most cynical people walking the face of the earth.
K. Sunshine amd puppy dogs.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He wasnt running the offense or the defense
What does this have to do with anything. A HC doesn't have to run the defense or offense.
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Usc just wasnt dumb enough to hire a career position coach after an average interim tenure.
In retrospect, it would have been the better hire for everyone involved.
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Alleva was dumb enough to think a career dline coach was the 3rd best candidate for one of the hardest jobs in cfb.
And he may be right. You are probably wrong. It is only the Coach O haters that won't even let him coach one game with his staff in place before bitching about him.
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The best coaches in cfb are not dependent on their coordinators.
This is really stupid. Do you not realize that? Why does every team from high school to the NFL have DC's and OC's?
You do realize the guy who just beat Bama to win the national championship was a position coach before he became head coach. Like Coach O, he was never a D-coordinator or O-coordinator. Seems like he is doing okay, just played in his second championship game in back to back years.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Whats Orgeron's resume as a head coach?
During the time frame one-year-wonder Herman has been coaching, CEO is 6-2.
During the time frame Coach O coached LSU, Herman is 4-4.
Don't get me wrong, Herman did great his first year when he was coaching the previous staffs players and system. The further removed from that staff the worse UH and Herman were. Losing to Tulsa, Navy and SMU.
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If Alleva wanted a coach that has never had any success as a coordinator or head coach then he is the worst AD in lsu history.
If CEO is successful then he was correct and a very smart man. Are you forecasting like the previous guy in this thread. Let's fire CEO now because in five years he may lose to Kentucky. No proof or anything just a feeling.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:50 pm to Tiger Ree
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During the time frame Coach O coached LSU, Herman is 4-4.
You attempt to spin this so much you can't even keep up with your own cherry picked, random timelines. Didn't Herman only lose three during that time frame?
And what is their total head coaching record, even when giving credit for his interim wins?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:51 pm to LSU2THEMAX
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LSU2THEMAX
Name checks out.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:53 pm to Tiger Ree
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During the time frame one-year-wonder Herman has been coaching, CEO is 6-2.
You considering interim coaching as head coach tells me all i need to know.
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Don't get me wrong, Herman did great his first year when he was coaching the previous staffs players and system. The further removed from that staff the worse UH and Herman were. Losing to Tulsa, Navy and SMU.
Ed Orgeron's head coaching resume is only ole miss. Ntohing he does as interim is running a program.he is the worst ole miss coach ever.
Herman has been a very successful coordinator.
Herman has been a very successful coach.
Ed orgeron has never been a successful coordinator.
Ed orgeron has never been a successful head coach.
And its laughable you want to ding Herman for winning with someone elses program.
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If CEO is successful then he was correct and a very smart ma
bullshite. It means Alleva was lucky. It's never a good thing to hire a 55 year old career position coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense ,or program. If you think it is then you dont understand football.
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Are you forecasting like the previous guy in this thread. Let's fire CEO now because in five years he may lose to Kentucky. No proof or anything just a feeling.
No im sayinh lets not hire the most unqualified hire in big 6 history. You do realize that Derek Dooleyn whe hired at Tenn, was more qualified than Ed Orgeron,right?
Dave Arande and matt Canada have better resumes.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:54 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I wouldnt want any career position coach hired as lsu's head coach
Good thing you aren't the AD at Clemson. They just won a national championship with a career position coach. How do you feel about that? Was it luck?
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He was given a top 5 class by miles.
You say some stupid shite to bash the LSU coach. Kinda funny, but you're probably being serious.
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I hope O has the best tenure in lsu history. That wont make the process ,in which an unqualified coach was hired, any better
It won't? You wouldn't have hired Dabo, what the hell do you know about HC hiring processes? Do you really think about what you are typing?
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That doesnt chnage the fact that Alleva refused to do his job and have an actual coaching search.
He offered Jimbo and Hermster. You don't know how many others he reached out to.
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That wont chnage the fact that we hired a coach that has zero success as a coordinator or head coach
So what? LSU hired him. I'm glad that it is to your chagrin. Hope you are so miserable about it you find another team and coach to PULL FOR.
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Thats shouldnt be acceptable at lsu.
Well "its" is. Deal with it.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:58 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He went to an ole miss program that was 2 years removed from a 1 loss sec record and ran it into the ground.
We have seen orgeron jave the worst tenure in ole miss history. Let that sink in.
I have. That was over a decade ago. Let that sink in.
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K. Sunshine amd puppy dogs.
Not all the time but I am certainly not a pessimist who cries about shite that may or may not happen in the future. If so, I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if I was just going to be depressed all day.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:07 pm to MOT
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You attempt to spin this so much you can't even keep up with your own cherry picked, random timelines. Didn't Herman only lose three during that time frame?
Yeah, you're right. Hermster didn't coach the bowl game.
Oct 8 @ Navy L46-40
Oct 15 vs Tulsa W38-31
Oct 22 @ SMU L38-16
Oct 29 vs UCF W31-24
Nov 12 vs Tulane W30-18
Nov 17 vs Louisville W36-10
Nov 25 @ Memphis L48-44
LAS VEGAS BOWL
Dec 17 vs San Diego State L34-10
He actually did better than I thought and projected. I had him going 3-5 in his last eight games and he went 4-3 without the bowl game loss.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:08 pm to Tiger Ree
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Good thing you aren't the AD at Clemson. They just won a national championship with a career position coach. How do you feel about that? Was it luc
And again. When dabo was hired clemson had not won a conf title in 19 years. They had 1 top 15 finish in 19years.
They had 2 top 20 finishes in 19 years.
If lsu hadnt won a conf title in 19 years then i could stomach this hire.
Also its amazing how you can point to the ONE damn time it worked out. And dabo wasnt 55.
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You say some stupid shite to bash the LSU coach. Kinda funny, but you're probably being serious.
What? We had the number 4 class in country when Orgeron was hired dumbass.
Educate yourself.
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It won't? You wouldn't have hired Dabo, what the hell do you know about HC hiring processes? Do you really think about what you are typing?
Again, clemson was a very average program when they hired a career position coach.you keep pointing to dabo as if he isnt the exception. Please list 1 other career position coach that is winning titles.
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So what? LSU hired him. I'm glad that it is to your chagrin. Hope you are so miserable about it you find another team and coach to PULL FOR.
I wont. Ill be cheering for lsu next year. By all means keep being the dope that lets alleva keep making shite hires.
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He offered Jimbo and Hermster. You don't know how many others he reached out to.
Lol. Keep believimg that the only coach that would take the lsu job was a coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:13 pm to Tiger Ree
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you're right
I know.
Now that you're halfway attempting to be honest, can you tell me what their head coaching records are from January 2005 through today? That's just a random time reference that popped into my head.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:15 pm to Tiger Ree
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I have. That was over a decade ago. Let that sink in.
It's the only time he has ever ran a program.
Its clear you cant see the difference between the program Clemson was when Dabo was hired and the prohram lsu is now.
Whether you like it or not Ed Orgeron is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:17 pm to MOT
quote:dont bring facts into the debate. He'll just mention Dabo and not realize that 1 coach out of thousands in the modern era of cfb isnt an outlier.
Now that you're halfway attempting to be honest, can you tell me what their head coaching records are from January 2005 through today? That's just a random time reference that popped into my head.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You considering interim coaching as head coach tells me all i need to know.
As does you refusing to even consider hiring the guy who just won the national championship.
Isn't being an interim coach when you want the position permanently the same as being the head coach. What are the differences?
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Ed Orgeron's head coaching resume is only ole miss. Ntohing he does as interim is running a program.he is the worst ole miss coach ever.
Just another reason why I like him and am glad he is the LSU coach. I hate Ole Miss. Way to geaux Coach O !!!
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Herman has been a very successful coordinator. Herman has been a very successful coach.
Coordinator yes. He has not been a head coach long enough to say whether he will be successful or not. With the previous staff's players and system, yes he had a good first year.
4th place in his division the second year doesn't seem successful to me. Texas should have hired one of the five coaches that finished ahead of him in the AAC or the SMU coach who spanked his arse 38-16 while Herman was favored by 23 points.
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Ed orgeron has never been a successful coordinator. Ed orgeron has never been a successful head coach.
Not yet anyway. Neither was the guy who just beat Bama for his first NC. Did you catch that game? It was pretty damn good. Especially for a former position coach to take down Saban.
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And its laughable you want to ding Herman for winning with someone elses program.
No it's laughable how everyone was comparing him to Saban and Meyer when he did much worse in his second season as a HC than he did in his first - with another staff's program.
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It's never a good thing to hire a 55 year old career position coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense ,or program. If you think it is then you dont understand football.
You can type this 1,000 times, but it doesn't change the fact that if CEO is successful you typed it 1,000 for not a damn thing. It doesn't matter what you think about CEO - he is the head coach at LSU. Deal with it.
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bullshite. It means Alleva was lucky
No one will remember it that way. It will be thought of and remembered as a great hire. Quit hating, it is bad for you.
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No im sayinh lets not hire the most unqualified hire in big 6 history. You do realize that Derek Dooleyn whe hired at Tenn, was more qualified than Ed Orgeron,right? Dave Arande and matt Canada have better resumes.
Like I have said it doesn't matter what you are saying or thinking. CEO is the LSU head coach. Hate it all you want, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
What the heck does Derek Dooley have to do with LSU. You do realize Dabo Swinney was a career position coach and not as qualified as CEO, right?
Aranda and Canada are great coaches. Neither has been a head coach or successful interim coach. CEO has head coaching experience at Ole Miss and LSU and interim experience at two major programs in USC and LSU.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:36 pm to LSU2THEMAX
He's off to a great start with a bowl win and a potentially loaded recruiting class for his first year, along with a great staff
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