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re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 8:50 pm to LSU2THEMAX
Posted on 1/24/17 at 8:50 pm to LSU2THEMAX
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 8:51 pm to Stephen1979
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Seriously, what's the point?
Like everything else posted here, the point is that I'm an LSU fan and want to discuss LSU sports. Is that OK w/ you?
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What does it accomplish to continue this crusade?
Crusade?
For frick's sake, it's an LSU sports message board. If people discussing the hiring of LSU's new head coach bothers you so much maybe you shouldn't visit this site. quote:
Why not just support the guy?
I do. I hope he leads us to another golden era.
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What's he done so far at LSU that has you so concerned?
Nothing. It's what he hasn't done everywhere else. He's had two above average stints as an interim coach since the last time he was a permanent head coach. That's all we have to go off of. Again, I hope he's made a total 180 since his time at Ole Miss and kicks arse. But there's really no way of knowing
I'm honestly not sure why im the one you decided to latch onto. I haven't said anything unreasonable in this thread, especially considering some of the vitriol that others spew about O.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 8:58 pm to lsu2006
Sure, discuss whatever. That's what I'm doing too. The only thing that bothers me is the constant negativity that feeds the perception held by local kids that they need to go elsewhere. It doesn't help that so much of our own fanbase craps on our program.
Just wish folks would step and consider why recruits, for example, should view it differently when they constantly here such garbage from our own fans.
I just happened to reply to your message, nothing personal.
Just wish folks would step and consider why recruits, for example, should view it differently when they constantly here such garbage from our own fans.
I just happened to reply to your message, nothing personal.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:22 pm to dukke v
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Can't upvote this post enough!!!!!!!!
(post has ZERO upvotes...???? You couldn't upvote it even once.)
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:21 pm to hehateme2285
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Then why does O get credit for the offense in the wins?
Wow isn't it obvious? Coach O appointed Ensminger offensive coordinator who tweaked the offense and made it far better than it was before Miles and Cam left. Plus, he let Ensminger coach and didn't try to micro-manage him. I mean we averaged over 475 yards a game after Miles left. The team seamed far more eager and energized to play after O tweaked the length of the practices, made it a priority to treat the team better than Miles did, and made playing for LSU fun. Indeed, this is the first year in a long time that I enjoyed watching the offense.
That wasn't obvious enough for you? Oh yeah, did you miss the season or something? I almost forgot, this is the rant. Oh well.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:33 pm to c on z
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Guice only having 2 carries in the game was a cardinal sin no matter what.
Excuse me, I thought Guice was the backup for Fournette. Not to mention that there wasn't that many plays ran because most of our possessions were three and outs lasting about one minute a piece, because obviously like last year, Alabama new what we were running before the ball was snapped. Again, because we were stuck with Les Miles' horrible offense, and, of course, defense never had a chance to rest. So let's blame it on coach O, because he inherited that piss poor offense, also because he was hired to be head coach as opposed to a very unproven spread offensive coach.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:55 pm to lsufan31
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Funny thing is, a lot of them hated Miles too. Most of them are acting like the spurned lover, since NS went to coach the gumps. They would all give their left testicle to get him back....oh my how they pine for the one who got away. No other coach in their book will be good enough.
Well I must confess, while I liked Les Miles as a person, as a coach he was always horrible and I didn't like him as a coach. He got lucky, because he inherited a loaded LSU team that won games despite his piss poor coaching. Which made a lot of fans believe that he was an awesome coach. It also attracted recruits who wanted to play for the flagship university and for the vaunted Les Miles, so the recruiting remained at a high level and the winning remained reasonably high, because the impression to recruits and most naive fans was that Les Miles was a good coach. Being young or naive, they never realized that LSU was winning despite Les Miles. Then the patina started to wear off as he started to lose his luck and slowly it became more and more obvious that Les wasn’t a good coach as he lost more and more games he shouldn’t have lost. On top of that, the offense sucked year after year. Well you know the rest the story from their; he eventually got himself fired.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:01 am to Goldrush25
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Miles was stuck with that same joke of an offense. And yet, Miles was able to still put up points, damn near beat them twice since 1/9/12.
No excuse for getting shut out at home.
Give me a break, LSU won despite Miles, and it was easy for Alabama to shut us out, since it was obvious that they knew the plays we were running before the ball was snapped. Not to mention, that it wasn't coach O's fault he was stuck with that offense in which Saban knew like the back of his hand. But, of course, this is the rant so what else can you expect.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:13 am to lsu2006
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No there aren't. He actually seems like a pretty awesome guy and someone I'd love on the staff. However, there are people like me that are concerned about the long-term viability of hiring a coach that has never had any semblance of success running a program and that requires two elite coordinators to be successful. No reason to believe we won't be golden the next couple years with Canada/Aranda running the offense and defense. O's real worth will be determined when those two leave.
Yes you are one of those haters. Indeed, you just proved it. By the way, I like Les Miles as a person. However, I never liked Miles as a coach because he never was a good coach from day one. Meanwhile, I can easily see that coach O is infinitely better than Miles ever was. Sure coach O didn't do a very good job previously at Ole Miss, but it wasn't all him, as he inherited a team almost totally devoid of SEC quality players. Nonetheless, he used his time at Ole Miss as a valuable learning lesson and never repeated those same errors he made while at Ole Miss either at USC or at LSU. Hence, none of those errors are even relevant anymore today because they made him a much better person and coach. Not to mention, the players and the recruits love him.
Moreover, Dabo Sweeney never was a coordinator and he just won a national title by defeating Alabama. It takes different skills to be a good head coach and coach O has those skills. Hence, with all due disrespect, your arguments are lame and utterly absurd.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 12:25 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:55 am to Space Cowboy
quote:We all thought that O and Ensminger had exorcised that demon possessed Les Offense, but it mysteriously returned for the Alabama game.
It wasn't his fault that LSU was still stuck with Les Miles joke for an offense and that Alabama knew most of the plays coming before the ball was snapped.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:17 am to Space Cowboy
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Yes you are one of those haters. Indeed, you just proved it.
bullshite
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Meanwhile, I can easily see that coach O is infinitely better than Miles ever was.
Based on....?
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Nonetheless, he used his time at Ole Miss as a valuable learning lesson and never repeated those same errors he made while at Ole Miss either at USC or at LSU. Hence, none of those errors are even relevant anymore today because they made him a much better person and coach.
You've hastily jumped to a lot of conclusions here. I really hope you're right.
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Moreover, Dabo Sweeney never was a coordinator and he just won a national title by defeating Alabama. It takes different skills to be a good head coach and coach O has those skills. Hence, with all due disrespect, your arguments are lame and utterly absurd.
So you cite ONE example of a coach with a kind of similar background as Orgeron who has had success to show that i'm the one who's being absurd? Ok.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 7:21 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:39 am to lsu2006
People critical of the Orgeron hire hate when Dabo is brought up
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:47 am to lsufball19
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People critical of the Orgeron hire hate when Dabo is brought up
I don't hate it. It's just an exceedingly weak argument. I'd love to have the next Dabo. But to act like Dabo isn't an exception to the rule is being actively disingenuous.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:53 am to lsu2006
No one acted any sort of way. To act like he doesn't exist is also disingenuous
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:18 am to lsufball19
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To act like he doesn't exist is also disingenuous
No, that's ignoring a fact. He does exist and I've never seen someone deny that fact.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:20 am to lsufball19
Dabo's success proves that hiring Da Coach O was a great move?
And those who question the Coach O hire know this and avoid the subject?
Sometimes the restatement of an argument is its best refutation.
And those who question the Coach O hire know this and avoid the subject?
Sometimes the restatement of an argument is its best refutation.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:41 am to Tiger Ree
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The one-year-wonder who's greatest
Herman has been successful in everything he has done as a head coach or OC. It's crazy to even try to debate that fact. O...not so much when he really had full control of a program he was totally responsible for all aspects.
Look, I hope O is crazy successful, but this idea LSU got the better coach between O and Herman has no basis in football reality....at this time.
Herman may be a flop and I hope he is for LSU football, but the resources and talent he will have available to him at Texas is night to day different from what he had a Houston.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:53 am to MOT
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Our "search" consisted of finding out Jimbo didn't want to leave Florida State unless he was given an unrealistic deal, throwing a hissy fit when Herman chose to negotiate like every other top coach on the market, and then running to Orgeron.
not accurate. a search firm was hired and they vetted more than a dozen candidates. alleve himself stated this. but your narrative is all that many believe and will continue to no matter the facts. I bet that after EVERY game LSU loses this exact thing comes up. that and his ole miss record. it seems that many LSU fans are like wives; the never forget shite and as time goes on they embellish transgressions of their husband (or perceived ones) and make shite up to supplement it.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:58 am to LSU GrandDad
GrandDad,
Do you have a link to this information on the search by Joe "I am the search" Alleva?
I would like to read this and understand it, because I do not have the impression he seriously considered anybody outside the three.
Do you have a link to this information on the search by Joe "I am the search" Alleva?
I would like to read this and understand it, because I do not have the impression he seriously considered anybody outside the three.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:24 am to LSU2THEMAX
I am nervous at this point but will remain optimistic due to the staff hires
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