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re: Interesting WSJ analysis of recruiting

Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by junkfunky
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:48 pm to
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Just proving again that a program is better off loading its class with four/five stars in aggregate.


Maybe. It's working for Bama but it didn't pan out as well as you'd expect for USC.
Posted by Tampa Tiger
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:49 pm to
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I get it. But the number of NFL 1st round draft picks is static each year. NFL teams evaluate for the best talent. I think one conclusion that can be drawn is that nearly just as many 2 stars use their college years to prove themselves to be just as deserving of a 1st round pick as the 5 stars.



Another HUH HUH
Posted by TIGER62
METAIRIE, LA
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:03 pm to
TULAME uses this theory
Posted by ZereauxSum
Lot 23E
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:04 pm to
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I think one conclusion that can be drawn is that nearly just as many 2 stars use their college years to prove themselves to be just as deserving of a 1st round pick as the 5 stars.


Correct, but this doesn't mean anything when you're talking about 6 or 7 five stars out of a population of 25-30 versus 6 or 7 two stars out of a population of hundreds

This excerpt is just a convoluted way to say that a five star has roughly a 20% chance of being a first round pick while a two star has less than 1% chance.

In other words, as others have said, it pays to be a five star.
Posted by Gregoire
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:09 pm to
Most 5 stars are physical freaks. Freaks normally get by in high school because their talent level is so ridiculous that they don't have to worry about technique. They also are not used to being criticized, and most don't take coaching well. The further you go up the ladder, the more you have to check your ego at the door and do the little things right.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:16 pm to
5*'s usually develop and mature physically early. Not all kids are afforded this freak of nature development. Some don't develop like that until they are 20-22. Most, I would say.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:18 pm to
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demoninator




Is that like an automatic exorcism device?
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 6:19 pm
Posted by Pankins
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:24 pm to
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:30 pm to
You guys are putting wayy to much emphasis on recruiting rankings.

Fact of the matter is, you cannot account for heart and work ethic. You might have a 2 star guy from a small school who never had proper training and become a better player than the #1 recruit because of heart and determination.

But, back to the analysis. A 5* player just means one that is good enough to play from the start of their career as a true frosh because of their skill set or athletic ability being polished enough to compete for playing time. Anyone who played any sport knows more PT= more injuries, so these rankings don't acct for that, nor system or coaching staff ability to turn players into pro prospects.
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:40 pm to
I am not a stats expert but I compare this to the number of NFL players Louisiana puts out versus Texas, California, and Florida. Do you say Louisiana isn't nearly as productive or do you factor in per capita? If there are fewer 4 and 5 star guys that blows the WSJ theory out the water.
Posted by blowmeauburn
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
7885 posts
Posted on 2/2/12 at 6:47 pm to
So since there are only 25 5stars and 32 NFL teams, even if all the 5 stars were drafted in the 1st round they still wouldn't be 100%?


Put another way. A 5 star recruit has a 21.76% chance of being a first round pick?
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 6:58 pm
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/2/12 at 8:24 pm to
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You guys are putting wayy to much emphasis on recruiting rankings. Fact of the matter is, you cannot account for heart and work ethic. You might have a 2 star guy from a small school who never had proper training and become a better player than the #1 recruit because of heart and determination.


But, but, but ... that isn't how Madden really works.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:31 pm to
I guess the only real practical lesson you can derive from this is there are some great 2-3 star players out there -- if you are able to identify them from the crowd better than the schools you are competing against.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16919 posts
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:44 pm to
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Almost as likely for a 2-star recruit to be a 1st-rounder as a 5-star.



LULZ. You've gotta love how statistics lend themselves to misrepresentation!
Posted by RollTigers
Member since Dec 2010
3274 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:33 am to
I have no idea how people old enough to read the wall street journal can so fundamentally misunderstand statistics.
Posted by MetTiger
Member since Oct 2007
1213 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 3:43 pm to
it's flawed. What would have been more telling is take all the 5 stars in a class and show the percentage of them which went in the 1st Round, then the same for the 4 stars, etc...

There's not enough available consistent data over time to really to a "doctoral thesis" type of analysis. Maybe one day someone will figure out the perfect recruiting formula to win more with less.....like "Moneyball"

But like Moneyball, any class can be way more - or less - than the sum of its parts.
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