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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:03 pm to Champagne
quote:I call BS. And I was a 5 star in Desert Storm.
I was 20 years and eight months old when I was commissioned as a Lieutenant. You have now heard of a 20 year old LT.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:04 pm to Champagne
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The Corps commander probably doesn't have bullets flying past his head. The Army commander niether.
There are platoon and company commanders that occasionally kick in doors to show their men leadership. I personally know of a couple; I used to be enlinsted and I was enlisted when I deployed.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:07 pm to Marines4Auburn
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Damn, how old were you when you graduated high school?
He hasn't yet.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:07 pm to ChewyDante
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You openly and audaciously asserted that Miles should be fired immediately b/c failure is unacceptable and the military is a perfect example.
Yep. That's my opinion.
And, Military history is full of examples of commanders getting relieved for lack of leadership, grasp of the situation and quick thinking. Right? Yes. Of course I'm right about that.
And, other commanders in military history made mistakes and were not relieved. Good for you for pointing that out, Simpleton, but, my main point and opinion stands.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:10 pm to Marines4Auburn
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There are platoon and company commanders that occasionally kick in doors to show their men leadership
Those are excellent and courageous leaders and fine examples of leading by example. These kinds of young leaders make the best division and corps commanders. Of course, once leaders get to be old enough to be division and corps commanders, they may not be capable of kicking in doors with the young men!
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:11 pm to taddcalif
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He hasn't yet.
You don't bother me, Pumpkin. Keep it up.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:15 pm to Marines4Auburn
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Damn, how old were you when you graduated high school?
17 years old. I was commissioned early . . . one year before I finished undergrad.
There's not much difference between a 20 year old NCO or LT and a 21 or 22 year old NCO or LT. Both are very young men who, if they have the opportunity to be a NCO or LT, will almost always do a great job and benefit greatly from the life experience of having that responsibility.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:18 pm to Champagne
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And, Military history is full of examples of commanders getting relieved for lack of leadership, grasp of the situation and quick thinking. Right? Yes. Of course I'm right about that.
Wow. Impressive knowledge there. No one has ever heard of that taking place before. You think that should be applied to other jobs? People being relieved for not performing well? How fricking brilliant and revolutionary an idea!! Man, what a dynamic thinker you are!!
No shite f*ggot. But you made the correlation that this means Les must be fired immediately as a result, as if there are never cases of someone rebounding from failure and you implied that the military would never allow it. bullshite. Your premise was wrong, I called you on it, you denied it, were made to look like a fool, then accepted it, and downplayed it by calling me a "simpleton" for pointing it out. Man, you're a real scholar aren't you?
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And, other commanders in military history made mistakes and were not relieved. Good for you for pointing that out, Simpleton, but, my main point and opinion stands.
No, because you're main point asserted that none are given second chances and with good reason. The premise is utterly false.
You have an opinion that Miles should be relieved, good for you, it's just that, an opinion. Everything else you stated, i.e. your brilliant comparison of the situation to the military in order to show people why he must be relieved, was utterly incorrect and absurd.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:22 pm to Champagne
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And, other commanders in military history made mistakes and were not relieved. Good for you for pointing that out, Simpleton, but, my main point and opinion stands.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:28 pm to Champagne
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Of course, once leaders get to be old enough to be division and corps commanders, they may not be capable of kicking in doors with the young men!
NOT IN THE CORPS DUDE!!!!
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:35 pm to USMCTiger03
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NOT IN THE CORPS DUDE!!!!
Semper Fi, do or die, Marines!
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:38 pm to Marines4Auburn
quote:GTG. I was gonna let that image fly at 6000 wide but didn't want to ratfrick the board.
Semper Fi, do or die, Marines!
ETA: frick it this thread sucks anyway!
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:43 pm to Champagne
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And, other commanders in military history made mistakes and were not relieved. Good for you for pointing that out, Simpleton, but, my main point and opinion stands.
Well doesn't this statement make your 'main point' just plain silly and wrong.
There are plenty of frick offs in the military that go unnoticed, just as in civilian life.
You can usually tell the difference between military and collegiate athletics by the cheerleaders, tailgating, and the huge arse stadium.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:01 pm to ChewyDante
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No shite f*ggot. But you made the correlation that this means Les must be fired immediately as a result, as if there are never cases of someone rebounding from failure and you implied that the military would never allow it. bullshite. Your premise was wrong, I called you on it, you denied it, were made to look like a fool, then accepted it, and downplayed it by calling me a "simpleton" for pointing it out. Man, you're a real scholar aren't you?
You are a little bitch, aren't you! Yes you are!
You are a real simpleton, to boot.
With me Coach Miles would get no second chance. He was in a "combat situation" on Saturday, and he failed. I would relieve him.
Do you understand my point now you little bitch?
PS I mean the "little bitch" sincerely, son. You are the most feminine thinking boy I've run across in a while. If you had a pussy, you'd be the most shrewish, bitchy bitch ever to walk around town.
And finally . . .
And really finally. Go join the military. Get some real life training. Maybe you can learn not to be such a little bitch there, because, unlike your Mommy, the drill sergeant won't put up with you, Little Bitch.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:16 pm to Champagne
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You are a little bitch, aren't you! Yes you are!
Yes! Another one of your brilliant opinions!! Upset about being exposed are we?
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You are a real simpleton, to boot.
The irony of this it too funny! quote:
With me Coach Miles would get no second chance. He was in a "combat situation" on Saturday, and he failed. I would relieve him.
Do you understand my point now you little bitch?
I've understood your opinion on this matter the entire time, as I've even said in several posts already. You're once again pretending as if this hasn't already been understood in order to falsely make me look as if I can't comprehend your position.
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PS I mean the "little bitch" sincerely, son. You are the most feminine thinking boy I've run across in a while. If you had a pussy, you'd be the most shrewish, bitchy bitch ever to walk around town.
Utter manly maturity you've displayed here. And so intellectual!!
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And really finally. Go join the military. Get some real life training. Maybe you can learn not to be such a little bitch there, because, unlike your Mommy, the drill sergeant won't put up with you, Little Bitch.
Yes, because the military is the only way one can experience, "real life training." You are a sad and pathetic voice for the armed forces. Keep in mind the military is funded by civilians, supplied by civilians, and works on behalf of civilians. Seriously man, grow the hell up.
Your time in the military doesn't make your incorrect assertions and fallacious correlations any more or less true. I've got several buddies in the service and they'd all probably laugh at you from this thread.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:22 pm to Champagne
I can appreciate your angle to a degree, but in command in the military, the demands simply cannot be compared, even to an LSU coach and one making $4M a year. And the circumstances vary as well, as with a commander that did not succeed but still executed orders accordingly. A coach like Miles is often given more autonomy and discretion than a military commander.
So who do you compare Miles to? In the Iraq war, Commanders at the highest levels were given considerable latitude for perceived failures. Of course "failure" can mean many things. Failing to reach an objective due to failure to follow orders, versus failure based on unforeseen circumstances, fog of war, heat of battle, etc.
I just don't think the comparison is sound for many reasons, some of which would support and some contradict, your argument.
So who do you compare Miles to? In the Iraq war, Commanders at the highest levels were given considerable latitude for perceived failures. Of course "failure" can mean many things. Failing to reach an objective due to failure to follow orders, versus failure based on unforeseen circumstances, fog of war, heat of battle, etc.
I just don't think the comparison is sound for many reasons, some of which would support and some contradict, your argument.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:47 pm to Champagne
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It's called "Holding the Commander Accountable for what Happens on the Battlefield."
OK, forget the
Actually it's called stupid jackass makes stupid comparison, sonnyboy. Stop while you merely look stupid.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:49 pm to Champagne
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I support Coach Miles 100 percent. However, I would hold him accountable for his actions. I would relieve him from his duties as LSU head coach immediately.
You are stupid, sonnyboy
Deep down in the Les Miles big heart, he knows that dismissal is an appropriate response to his performance on Saturday.
No, sonnyboy, he doesn't. Only complete idiots like you think that way.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:21 pm to Champagne
Sports and combat are terrible comparisons. We may have lost the game, but all the players and coaches went home alive and with all their bodies intact. Combat is for keeps, lots of good men get badly hurt and some die.
History lesson, the first President of our University was relived of his command in 1862. In 1864-65 he marched across Georgia and the Carolinas and helped to being the Civil War to an end.
History lesson, the first President of our University was relived of his command in 1862. In 1864-65 he marched across Georgia and the Carolinas and helped to being the Civil War to an end.
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