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re: In a combat situation, the Commander gets no second chance.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 6:58 pm to geauxtigahs87
Posted on 11/24/09 at 6:58 pm to geauxtigahs87
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By your logic, Saban should been relieved after losing to ULM.
Does Nick Saban's teams look confused, clueless and without any adult supervision while they are on the football field during games?
Was Nick Saban in his FIFTH year of coaching the team when that happened?
Is this the first time that Coach Miles has pulled a stunt like he did on Saturday?
Don't sprain your brain thinking, Cecil.
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 6:59 pm to Champagne
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General Johnson was relieved of his command during the Atlanta Campaign and General Hood was appointed in his place.
Okay. Did I say it never happens? No. Go back and read your original post dumbass. You imply that commanders "get no second chance" when they lose a battle. You're a fricking simple-minded idiot who clearly is going to refuse to acknowledge that your original post is retarded and flat out false.
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WAIT A MINUTE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT COACH LES MILES IS EQUAL TO GENERAL ROBERT E. LEE???? !! HOW MANY FRIKIN MUSHROOMS HAVE YOU EATEN TODAY, GOMER??
Wow. I feel like I'm having a conversation with a 10 year old. I used Lee as an example of a battlefield commander who made mistakes and cost his side a major defeat (because YOU raised the issue of commanders always being relieved after such instances) and was not relieved of command.
Are you so simple that you can't grasp this? I doubt it, you're trying to manipulate the conversation b/c you know you've been completely proved wrong.
If you want Miles fired, then fine, you'd have good reasons. But your comparison here is patently absurd, so just let it go. Christ...
And what's the deal with all the pet names you keep throwing around? Grow the frick up.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:02 pm to Champagne
What you said:
Did Saban's team look confused, cluesless, when the lost to the UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA-MONROE? Yes they did. And according to you, he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Hilarious, you are soooo funny.
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When a Commander screws up and causes a loss in a combat situation, there are no second chances.
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Does Nick Saban's teams look confused, clueless and without any adult supervision while they are on the football field during games?
Did Saban's team look confused, cluesless, when the lost to the UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA-MONROE? Yes they did. And according to you, he doesn't deserve a second chance.
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Don't sprain your brain thinking, Cecil.
Hilarious, you are soooo funny.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:08 pm to Champagne
Dude! Football is a GAME .... no comparison to our servicemen and women putting their lives on the line!
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:08 pm to ChewyDante
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you know you've been completely proved wrong.
How have I been proved wrong again, Snuggles?
Because Gen. Lee was not fired after Gettysburg?
Well, let's sit down with our crayons and coloring books like you usually do when you go to school and think about this, Darlene.
Why didn't President Davis fire Lee after Gettysburg. Let's put our thinking caps on and think it over.
Now, we KNOW damn well that Pres Davis COULD have fired Lee because Pres Davis was the PRESIDENT.
Follow me?
OK, good.
Now, President Davis says to himself, "I could fire Lee if I wanted to, but, if I did, I would have to find a REPLACEMENT that does not suck. Wow, I don't think I can find a replacement that doesn't suck, so, I won't fire Lee."
Now let's talk about Coach Miles. Can we agree that he COULD be fired to day by LSU AND that if he WAS fired today LSU could find a replacement for Miles THAT DOES NOT SUCK?
Can we agree on this?
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:10 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Did Saban's team look confused, cluesless, when the lost to the UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA-MONROE?
Do Coach Saban's teams look like The Keystone Cops on the football field FIVE YEARS AFTER Coach Saban has the chance to coach them up??
Please answer the question. You are among friends.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:11 pm to Champagne
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. . . and I ain't being paid by the taxpayers anywhere close to four million a year for it, neither, Alice !
you fail again
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:12 pm to TigerBait1127
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you fail again
Yeah, you sure showed me!
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:15 pm to Champagne
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Do Coach Saban's teams look like The Keystone Cops on the football field FIVE YEARS AFTER Coach Saban has the chance to coach them up??
If a commander frick things up in his first year, then he gets a second chance, but any frick-ups after that are not okay because 10 months isn't long enough to coach them up?
I'm either arguing with a brainless narrow minded 80 year old or a little kid.
No one is this stupid. Now give us another response with another one of your hilarious culture references. They're very entertaining.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:18 pm to Champagne
fantasy fan?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:18 pm to Champagne
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Now, we KNOW damn well that Pres Davis COULD have fired Lee because Pres Davis was the PRESIDENT.
No shite. You really don't understand how you're initial premise is completely false do you? This is pathetic.
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Now, President Davis says to himself, "I could fire Lee if I wanted to, but, if I did, I would have to find a REPLACEMENT that does not suck. Wow, I don't think I can find a replacement that doesn't suck, so, I won't fire Lee."
I know why Davis didn't fire Lee and it has nothing to do with Gettysburg or having a replacement that doesn't "suck". The South had plenty of strong generals. The reason Lee wasn't fired is because his mistakes at Gettysburg have no impact on the talents of General Lee. Good generals can fail, make mistakes, and lose battles, just as good coaches can do the same.
You fricking idiot. This is such a simple concept to understand.
What about Rommel after losing in North Africa? Did the Germans have no capable generals other than Rommel? Of course they did. Again, a commander is NOT relieved of command, with no second chances, as you've so vociferously claimed in your initial post, for losing a battle or making mistakes that result in a serious defeat.
You've made one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on the Rant, and it's absolutely pathetic how you've refused to acknowledge how idiotic and fallacious of an analogy you've made.
If you want Miles gone, fine. But don't draw a correlation between Miles being fired and claiming that any military commander who fails or loses is relieved with no second chance. It's beyond idiotic into an entirely new realm of stupidity.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:22 pm to Champagne
You are a fricking tool. Anyone who has lived the hell of combat would not post such a dumbshit clueless comment like you have done...idiot.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:25 pm to ChewyDante
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What about Rommel after losing in North Africa?
Rommel requested permission to retreat from Der Fuhrer before Monty's onslaught at El Alamein. Der Fuhrer denied permission and ordered Rommel to stand and defend. Rommel was relieved from command of Panzer Armee Afrika. When PAA surrendered in May, 1943, it was NOT commanded by Rommel.
So, you are wrong. Rommel was relieved of his command.
And I am NOT wrong. Any military commander who fricks up as often as Miles does could be and probably would be relieved of his command.
Command Incompetence is not tolerated in the US military. I do not tolerate command incompetence. If in your world you DO tolerate command incompetence, then we have a difference of opinion.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:27 pm to geauxtigahs87
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If a commander frick things up in his first year, then he gets a second chance, but any frick-ups after that are not okay because 10 months isn't long enough to coach them up?
You make no sense. Have you ever had a coherent thought in your life?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:31 pm to Champagne
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You make no sense
I give up. quote:
Have you ever had a coherent thought in your life?
Nope none. You clearly are smarter and more intelligent than I. How much $$$ you make a year? It's gotta be a ton.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:36 pm to Champagne
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Rommel requested permission to retreat from Der Fuhrer before Monty's onslaught at El Alamein. Der Fuhrer denied permission and ordered Rommel to stand and defend.
Then why did Rommel attack?
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Rommel was relieved from command of Panzer Armee Afrika. When PAA surrendered in May, 1943, it was NOT commanded by Rommel.
Rommel was not "relieved" from command so to speak, and certainly not for his military blunder at El Alamein. He was sent back to Germany because it was obvious that Africa was lost and Rommel, being the important and brilliant commander he was, was to be reassigned to an even more important role. Thus he was essentially promoted rather than disposed of following his perceived failures in North Africa.
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So, you are wrong. Rommel was relieved of his command.
No, I'm not wrong. He was reassigned to prevent his capture and loss to the Allies.
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And I am NOT wrong. Any military commander who fricks up as often as Miles does could be and probably would be relieved of his command.
But that's not what you said in the OP. Maybe had you said that, I would be inclined to agree, but you didn't.
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Command Incompetence is not tolerated in the US military.
What is and isn't "command incompetence" is subjective. Hitler fired lots of generals for what he perceived to be "command incompetence", and he regretted it.
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If in your world you DO tolerate command incompetence, then we have a difference of opinion.
From reading your idiotic posts, your irrational inability to make logical correlations, and your childish language style, it seems that you and I are very, very different.
Sadly, I'm not an avid Miles supporter and would likely agree with much of your opinion on replacing him. However, you decided to make your argument ludicrous by drawing an idiotic military comparison that is false on its face.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:37 pm to geauxtigahs87
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You clearly are smarter and more intelligent than I.
Well, probably just a little. I wouldn't worry about it too much. You are probably more handsome than I am, so, you've got that going for you.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:38 pm to ChewyDante
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ChewyDante
You're wasting your time, man. Just let it be.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:39 pm to geauxtigahs87
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You're wasting your time, man. Just let it be.
I know. I'm being stubborn. It's just hard to believe that someone can be this irreversibly dumb and oblivious.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:43 pm to ChewyDante
On March 9, 1943, Rommel handed over command of Armeegruppe Afrika to General Hans-Jürgen von Arnim and left Africa, due to poor health. From March to July of 1943, Rommel took sick leave, spending time with his wife and his son. On July 10th, he was appointed as the Commander-in-Chief in Greece, but was soon recalled back to Germany.
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