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re: I'm tired of all the people's criticism about Crowton.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:11 pm to chilge1
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:11 pm to chilge1
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As long as we have Mett at QB, we'll do fine,
No we won't. We had special teams that gave us the 10-2 season, not offense. Petersons touchdowns from punt/kickoff returns was what gave us wins over NC and West Virginia. Without that, we would be 8-4.
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Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:12 pm to Lsuman122
No way to logically answer these type of clueless statements!
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:13 pm to ZTiger87
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We changed OCs. Wether it was because the change was forced or not, we still changed OCs.
And most on here would have you believe that although we changed OCs, we retained the former playbook. I just absolutely hate the idea of changing offensive schemes with a senior QB who has taken this long to grasp the current one in a year that we're poised to win the conference.
At the current status quo, name your top 2 teams from each division next year... Arkansas, LSU, Georgia, South Carolina?
It's invisible to some, but Jefferson actually looked like a rejuvenated QB in his last few games... enough so that I think we could run the table in the SEC with THAT QB and OC assuming minimal loss of production from the defense. No, if we keep Crowton, we're not going to see 2006-2007 production out of the offense, but it'll be enough that we can win our conference, and that's the goal.
Changing things up and there's no telling where we'll wind up. Though it couldn't be by much, we could be worse.
I hope you realize that I'm not in support of maintaining Crowton long-term, but I don't want to frick up the next season by messing with the stability we have in place now. Do it in 2012 when we're breaking in a new QB anyway for all I care.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:13 pm to Lsuman122
So he's not good at calling plays or coaching players but it's not his fault. Nice.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:18 pm to chilge1
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just absolutely hate the idea of changing offensive schemes with a senior QB who has taken this long to grasp the current one in a year that we're poised to win the conference.
Look at the difference of Dixon in 2006 and Dixon 2007 at Oregon. I want to take the same gamble.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:19 pm to Lsuman122
He's horrible-deal with it!
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:19 pm to los angeles tiger
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No we won't. We had special teams that gave us the 10-2 season, not offense. Petersons touchdowns from punt/kickoff returns was what gave us wins over NC and West Virginia. Without that, we would be 8-4.
Fix the QB-OC relationship, fix the offense. At this point in the game, it's impossible to sever the tie between Crowton and the current starting QB options. Mett had his development elsewhere, and for that reason can step in and be effective in the system. I don't see what your response has to do with ANY of that.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:20 pm to los angeles tiger
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Changing things up and there's no telling where we'll wind up.
Well, look where Auburn is today and look where we are. They changed coaching staffs following 2008.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:20 pm to chilge1
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Changing things up and there's no telling where we'll wind up. Though it couldn't be by much, we could be worse.
Which is why a change couldn't really hurt. We don't really know where we will wind up with Crowton either. What we do know is that the offense has not done its job the last 2 years.
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I don't want to frick up the next season by messing with the stability we have in place now. Do it in 2012 when we're breaking in a new QB anyway for all I care.
Like I said before, there are plenty of instances where changes were made and the results were great. We might have fricked up this season by keeping Crowton.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:20 pm to LSURep864
guys all we need is a qb, think back to 07 with flynn.....crowton was callin those plays ande we were sick, trust me we land mettenburger its gona b lights out nxt year
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:22 pm to los angeles tiger
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Look at the difference of Dixon in 2006 and Dixon 2007 at Oregon. I want to take the same gamble.
To be fair to Crowton, Dixon was great in the 1st half of 06. Bellotti destroyed Dixon's confidence by wanting to play Brady Leaf. How much coaching Dixon even got in 07 is questionable too because he went and played pro baseball that summer.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:22 pm to chilge1
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At this point in the game, it's impossible to sever the tie between Crowton and the current starting QB options. Mett had his development elsewhere, and for that reason can step in and be effective in the system
So your argument is "don't get rid of the OC that can't coach qb's but just get qb's that have been coached in a junior college to come in and save the day." Brilliant.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:24 pm to LSURep864
gary? is that you?
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:24 pm to ZTiger87
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Dixon was great in the 1st half of 06.
Didn't Jefferson start off great and got worse over time? He's had flashes of brilliance but for the most part, not so hot.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:26 pm to los angeles tiger
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Didn't Jefferson start off great and got worse over time?
Didn't Jefferson start off horrible and get better over time this year?
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:28 pm to Comeaux 43
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guys all we need is a qb, think back to 07 with flynn.....crowton was callin those plays ande we were sick, trust me we land mettenburger its gona b lights out nxt year
Flynn had 4 years and a couple of starts under his belt by that time. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he had developed into a good QB by that time under Fisher. I also don't think it's a stretch to believe that if Flynn had spend 3 more years here after his senior year, he would have gotten no better.
It really should be clear that QBs don't grow under Crowton. Nobody knew who Dennis Dickson was until he left Oregon. Jefferson and Lee looked better as freshmen than they do now.
What you're saying is that Crowtons success is contigent either on walking into a program with an experienced QB or getting a top JUCO prospect.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:28 pm to los angeles tiger
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Well, look where Auburn is today and look where we are. They changed coaching staffs following 2008.
Horrible, horrible example. You think that Malzhan is responsible for how Cam Newton developed? Or just the fact that he's a physical freak of nature?
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So your argument is "don't get rid of the OC that can't coach qb's but just get qb's that have been coached in a junior college to come in and save the day." Brilliant.
If you had any sense of reading comprehension, you'd know that's not my argument. I've stated in this very thread how fricked we'd be when it came time for Stephen Rivers to start.
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Didn't Jefferson start off great and got worse over time? He's had flashes of brilliance but for the most part, not so hot.
You should watch the second half of the GT game again.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:30 pm to ZereauxSum
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What you're saying is that Crowtons success is contigent either on walking into a program with an experienced QB or getting a top JUCO prospect.
I firmly believe this. Which is why I say we'll mimic the offense of Alabama, Ole Miss, and Arkansas to the point that we win the SEC next year, and then we'll continue that as long as Mett is starting.
But we'd be in a royal clusterfrick after that.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:42 pm to Comeaux 43
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guys all we need is a qb, think back to 07 with flynn
I wouldn't go that far. Flynn had a long time to study everything and develop. If we were to change OC, our new guy could DEVELOP Lee and Jefferson in the off-season and possibly put us in a good position if Mett is to not land here for some reason.
I wouldn't blame the QBs that much. They may have made mistakes on the field but it's up to the coaches to get on their asses to play better and to play to the strengths of the PLAYER and not have the player meet his own expectations.
Posted on 12/4/10 at 5:45 pm to bapple
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DEVELOP Lee and Jefferson in the off-season
Would not happen in only a few months.
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