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re: I'll ask it. Why did Mett get no meaningful snaps last year?
Posted on 9/9/12 at 9:00 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Posted on 9/9/12 at 9:00 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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BTW, 2nd or 3rd team QBs don't get "meaningful snaps" anywhere. Those get taken by starters.
Still, it seems that there is nothing like in game experience, no?
So few seem able to think outside of their straight-jacketed minds.
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Posted on 9/9/12 at 9:10 pm to White Tiger
Yea, how can you stand by and see your team getting beaten for the National Championship knowing you have this talented quarterback (AND Lee) on your sideline!! Did not even try. Did not give them a chance to try to pull it out after JJ messed up so badly!! I will NEVER forget that one.
Posted on 9/9/12 at 9:19 pm to tigercat70
Security advisor = mall cop? 
Posted on 9/9/12 at 9:21 pm to Hot Carl
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Message Posted by Hot Carl He was 3rd string. How many 3rd stringers get "meaningful" reps?
He was 2nd string a good chunk of the year and should've gotten meaningful snaps in most of those games.
And regardless he was the QB of the future so 3rd string or not it makes sense to play him.
Posted on 9/9/12 at 9:34 pm to Jrv2damac
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Jrv2damac
Hey Jrv2, long time....
Posted on 9/9/12 at 10:09 pm to Antonio Moss
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ZM would have only been in the program for five months at the start of the 2011 season. Given Les' history with new QBs (2008), Mett's issues with grades and attitude, and our powerful defense and running game, it's really easy to see why he would be third string even if he was the most talented QB on the roster (which he was.)
Then we steamrolled everyone not named Alabama on the way to the NC. There was no way Les was going to bench two seniors in favor of a first year guy.
This is a pretty good response to the OP. Right now it really looks like Mett was/is more talented than JL/JJ. But I think one has to consider how events unfolded in '11 and espcially at the start. JJ was to have been the starter until he was suspended a week before the season started. At that juncture, it just made more sense to play a 5th yr Sr (JL) than a 1st year So opening with Oregon.
Then JL has some pretty good games and the O develops some chemistry/identity.
Seeing how Mett seemed to have his "first game" jitters vs NT, I'm not sure how well he would have played vs Oregon, State, WVU. At what point would you have replaced JL with Mett? JJ's return (as far as playing time for Mett) further complicated things. Les had to work JJ back into the mix.
One final comment, had Mett started from day1 in '11, I don't know that our O would've looked that different than it did with JL nor do I think Mett's #'s would've been much better than was JL's.
Posted on 9/9/12 at 10:18 pm to White Tiger
quote:I agree with everything u said in this thread
OK. I'll admit it. I will never get "over" that game for many reasons, but the only one that matters is that LSU should not have had to play that bunch again especially after beating them in their own backyard. The BCS frauds would be ashamed had they any shame or dignity, but I digress.
quote:It was so un-LSU-(2011)to play that way in NC game that there will never be any closure for true LSU fans. That being said, we can only speculate....Most agree, rematches favor near equal teams that lost the 1st game.
LM for reasons known only to him, decided not to prepare for 'Bama part deaux. He, er, rolled out Mr. Jefferson expecting to win a tight defensive struggle. Why could he not get that his offense as constituted with you-know-who at QB was going nowhere. 92 total yards. What in the world could have been going through that head of his?
My belief, CLM, as any great coach would do, recognized what lowly Georgia Southern did to Bama's defense as well what LSU's offense with JJ did. What CLM didn't recognize was Bama had a month to FIX that weakness and then made that weakness their strength like knowing 1st hand that LSU game planned to their previous weakness.
It seemed that LSU had no plan B. No JL to provide a spark or the very least, see how Bama would adjust. No chess match...Nothing. Still trying to force the option in the 4th qrt at times instead of play action or quick slants with JL.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 12:34 am to White Tiger
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it seems that there is nothing like in game experience
LSU is 26-3,15-2, and with national ranking of #8, #2, and currently #2 since 2010...seems to me
LSU is getting whatever it needs to be an elite program.
Let it go and join most of the rest of us who are enjoying the most successful 7+ yr period in LSU football history.
Or not..."meaningful snaps" for back up QB's in past seasons can be thrilling chat for some, I suppose...whatever floats your boat.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 1:07 am to White Tiger
We were curb stomping everyone and had the most efficient qb in the sec. The real question is why pull JLee.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
J.Lee played poorly 1st game with Bama it was right to pull him, however Les should have played him more at the end of the year--and in the bcs game. But, I don't care anymore about last year.
However, I do hope Les gives Rivers some meaningful snaps. Would have liked to see him in the Washington game with 10min left and let him run the offense. You need to prepare 2 qb's as much as possible in the SEC. I did like the way the offense looked--take away a few dropped passes and it was OUTSTANDING.
However, I do hope Les gives Rivers some meaningful snaps. Would have liked to see him in the Washington game with 10min left and let him run the offense. You need to prepare 2 qb's as much as possible in the SEC. I did like the way the offense looked--take away a few dropped passes and it was OUTSTANDING.
This post was edited on 9/10/12 at 2:21 am
Posted on 9/10/12 at 6:51 am to Antonio Moss
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four years of football suggests that Lee would have been a disaster in the NC
As opposed to what? What we saw?
Posted on 9/10/12 at 6:56 am to White Tiger
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Still, it seems that there is nothing like in game experience, no?
So few seem able to think outside of their straight-jacketed minds.
So few seem able to "LET IT frickING GO!"
Posted on 9/10/12 at 7:18 am to Icansee4miles
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As opposed to what? What we saw?
Yes. That's my point. Lee's one extreme weakness throughout his career was his inability to stand in the pocket and throw against a heavy pass rush. The NC game was textbook example of how to dominate a team by getting pressure with your front four.
Could Lee have come in and moved the ball? Anything is possible, but history suggests otherwise.
You want to start handing out blame for the NC game? Start with the poor game plan and then move to the offensive line.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 7:26 am to Antonio Moss
I remember Saban pulling Randall, then Flynn, then finally putting Jamarcus in the game versus Iowa
I know lsu lost on the last play, but at least Saban wasn't going down without a fight
Miles could have played lee and Mett in that game.
The starting qb certainly wasn't getting it done
I know lsu lost on the last play, but at least Saban wasn't going down without a fight
Miles could have played lee and Mett in that game.
The starting qb certainly wasn't getting it done
Posted on 9/10/12 at 7:42 am to White Tiger
CLM loved him some jj. 
Posted on 9/10/12 at 7:52 am to TheDoc
Ok, I'll play. As previous posters have mentioned, LSU was winning. They went undefeated through one of the toughest schedules in recent CFB history and did it in convincing fashion. Also, in CLM's mind, I think he was scarred by Lee's first year in several ways. First, even though he played well when given the chance, I think he was just waiting for Lee to start throwing picks, which he did in the first Bama game. Was that fair to Lee? No. But Miles is a person and people see things based on their own experiences.
On that, I think he felt (correctly) that he had thrown Lee to the wolves too early in his freshman year. Barring a rash of injuries, I doubt that you'll ever see him play a young QB too early ever again. I'm sure that in his mind he thought that he was doing Mett a favor by not throwing him in during the national title game against a ridiculously talented defense. On that, he was probably right.
I'm glad tha't he's in there now. That said, let's not forget that Mett only has two starts under his belt. He needs all of the "meaningful" snaps that he can get before they start SEC play. Don't expect to see Rivers in more than late mop up duty handing the ball to one of our many backs.
On that, I think he felt (correctly) that he had thrown Lee to the wolves too early in his freshman year. Barring a rash of injuries, I doubt that you'll ever see him play a young QB too early ever again. I'm sure that in his mind he thought that he was doing Mett a favor by not throwing him in during the national title game against a ridiculously talented defense. On that, he was probably right.
I'm glad tha't he's in there now. That said, let's not forget that Mett only has two starts under his belt. He needs all of the "meaningful" snaps that he can get before they start SEC play. Don't expect to see Rivers in more than late mop up duty handing the ball to one of our many backs.
This post was edited on 9/10/12 at 7:53 am
Posted on 9/10/12 at 7:58 am to TheDoc
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Miles could have played Lee
The starting qb certainly wasn't getting it done
I agree with this, but it's done.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 8:37 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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The former is irrelevant. The latter has merit, and if LSU continues to blow teams out and Rivers doesn't get any meaningful snaps this year, it will be a disturbing trend. But of course, the counter arguement will always be "LSU is good so don't question anything".
Is SR's 3rd String??
Go away
Posted on 9/10/12 at 8:44 am to Tiger Authority
CLM has a flawed decision making process. ZM should have been playing all year.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 9:11 am to TheDoc
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Miles could have played lee and Mett in that game.
The starting qb certainly wasn't getting it done
Oh, I agree that he should have. I'm addressing the posters that hang on to the belief that it would have made a difference.
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