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re: If USC & Oklahoma go undefeated, are we this year's Auburn?
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I don't think even the biggest Big 11 homer would argue that the Big 11 is stronger than the SEC, but that doesn't mean the Big 11 is the MAC or CUSA.
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Top to bottom, the SEC is definitely stronger than the Big10, but that doesn't mean we can't compete.
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Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:07 pm to BuckeyeFan87
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a conference that is running at .500 with the SEC in bowls the past two years....
Take out "the running joke" Ohio State and you're at less than .500.
I agree there is no better measure of conference strength then the oh so relevant non-BCS bowl games. Man when Alabama beat Colorado I bawled like a little baby.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
H-town, if I was a gay cowboy named "SpiritFun" I would pursue you to be my life partner.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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what does it say about the SEC teams that have lost to Big 11 teams in bowls the last 2 years? It was Florida that lost to UM, not Vandy.
If you wish to draw conclusions from non-major exhibitions, then so be it. A Mac Central Michigan took Purdue to the end, but you dont hear me trying to make a conclusion.
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I don't think even the biggest Big 11 homer would argue that the Big 11 is stronger than the SEC, but that doesn't mean the Big 11 is the MAC or CUSA.
Dont recall arguing that. Said the conference has been blown out in the BCS bowls and an undefeated team from that conference would not get in over an undefeated SEC team.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:14 pm to igoringa
I think it depends on which team it is that were to go undefeated, and where they play certain teams...they would have to have at least a BCS opponent on the schedule OOC I think. There is a lot of football to be played which can factor into this, and dont forget it was only 4 years ago I believe that an undefeated SEC team was left out of the big dance.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:16 pm to SprintFun
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Or the Buckeyes winning the Big10 and MNC while the #2 team plays in the Rose and wins it
I firmly beleive the Big 10 would gain much more credibility & respect if some other Big 10 team wins the conference and the MNC. Preferably a team other than Michigan would really be good for the conference.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:18 pm to igoringa
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If you wish to draw conclusions from non-major exhibitions, then so be it
the only conclusion I draw from that is the Big 11 is a major conference that actually has some good teams.
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Said the conference has been blown out in the BCS bowls and an undefeated team from that conference would not get in over an undefeated SEC team
That's true, though Illinois had no business being in a BCS bowl last year. I'll go you one better, if the SEC Champ has one of the top 2 records (be it with 0,1 or 2 losses) they will be in the BCS CG. The only way the SEC Champ does not play in miami is if there are 2 teams with better records.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:18 pm to Rockerbraves
LSU would be left out and they deserve too. Based on OOC schedule they have the worse one by far. At least USC, OU, and Ohio St, have some D-I teams on the OOC schedule. 
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:19 pm to Darts
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Based on OOC schedule
That's fricking retarded. Its Strenght of Schedule, not Strenght of Non Conference Schedule.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:20 pm to SprintFun
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I think it depends on which team it is that were to go undefeated, and where they play certain teams...they would have to have at least a BCS opponent on the schedule OOC I think. There is a lot of football to be played which can factor into this, and dont forget it was only 4 years ago I believe that an undefeated SEC team was left out of the big dance.
So LSU goes undefeated (not saying it will happen), you believe the voters will shrug and put OSU ahead of them, because LSU did not have an OOC BCS opponent? Are you serious? Look at the options for undefeated SEC (within reason) - UGA, FL, LSU, Aub or Tenn (just took the top 25). Which ones dont get in because of OSU. Tenn who would have beat Aub, Fl, Ga and another west in the championship?
4 years ago when Auburn got left out, it was because there was a crystal clear 1 vs 2 from day 1. Dont compare that to a current #3. Further, if Texas had been schooled like a drum the previous two years by the SEC... you may have seen Auburn sneak in. But they hadn't... completely different circumstances.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:22 pm to igoringa
Its Strenght of Schedule, not Strenght of Non Conference Schedule.
So you think the OOC will not affect their strenght of schedule homo
So you think the OOC will not affect their strenght of schedule homo
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:22 pm to Darts
Seriously now, people honestly believe that the defending champions can go undefeated and not get the right to play? Seriously, voting trends have been pretty transparent for a decade now, this would just not happen.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:25 pm to JPLSU1981
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and LSU goes undefeated (I know we won't, but just for arguments sake play along and assume we do).
LSU will go undefeated this year.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:25 pm to igoringa
Seriously now, people honestly believe that the defending champions can go undefeated and not get the right to play
Has nothing to do with last year. It will all be based on this years schedule and what happens this year. I doubt beating Tulane, App St, Troy, will jump them over anyone. I would be willing to bet that if USC is 2-1 and that loss is to Ohio St, and LSU is 3-0 that USC will still be ranked ahead of LSU based on schedule.
Has nothing to do with last year. It will all be based on this years schedule and what happens this year. I doubt beating Tulane, App St, Troy, will jump them over anyone. I would be willing to bet that if USC is 2-1 and that loss is to Ohio St, and LSU is 3-0 that USC will still be ranked ahead of LSU based on schedule.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:27 pm to Darts
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I would be willing to bet that if USC is 2-1 and that loss is to Ohio St, and LSU is 3-0 that USC will still be ranked ahead of LSU based on schedule.
I'd be willing to say that also...not saying they'd stay there for the duration of the season though, but after week 3 I believe they would be ahead of LSU.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:29 pm to Darts
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Has nothing to do with last year. It will all be based on this years schedule and what happens this year. I doubt beating Tulane, App St, Troy, will jump them over anyone. I would be willing to bet that if USC is 2-1 and that loss is to Ohio St, and LSU is 3-0 that USC will still be ranked ahead of LSU based on schedule.
Why are you focusing on just the time up to week 3. My statement was an undefeated LSU team is ahead of an undefeated OSU team when the final vote is jast. I am not saying week 3,5, or 8. At the end of the day, they would be ahead
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:32 pm to igoringa
I still think so...pollsters don't drop teams for winning (unless there is a reason like VT last year). OSU would have beaten the #2 ranked Pac10 champs at their place. I really dont know the answer to this, but it is definitely not as clear cut as you want it to be.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:33 pm to SprintFun
At the end of the day, they would be ahead
Not happening, no way LSU jumps OH ST if they are undeafeated with an OOC win against USC.
Not happening, no way LSU jumps OH ST if they are undeafeated with an OOC win against USC.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:37 pm to SprintFun
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I still think so...pollsters don't drop teams for winning (unless there is a reason like VT last year). OSU would have beaten the #2 ranked Pac10 champs at their place. I really dont know the answer to this, but it is definitely not as clear cut as you want it to be.
I will meet part way in that OSU might get into the game (the assumption is for it to be an issue, we have the 2005 criteria), but if they do, it is against us. Name one time in the history of this sport that the defending champion went undefeated and did not get the championship.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:41 pm to Darts
Bucks only chance of getting back to the BCS NC game is to go undefeated and even then they better hope no two other BCS teams are undefeated!!!
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