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Posted on 8/16/08 at 4:28 am to TheEdge
quote:
lets do a test, stats...
JR had greater supporting talent than Jones, Hodson, Tyler, Davey, etc... and played in a system more geared toward the passing game (being that he had 3 of the best WRs in college football). Also JR had greater physical abilities than any QB in LSU history.
This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 4:29 am
Posted on 8/16/08 at 4:28 am to shel311
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He was definitely the WORST, without a doubt, not even close.
and the competition he did it against was SOOOOOO MUCH worse than what others faced.
I mean I am 100% that if we picked random dude out of the stands he would have been better.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 4:29 am to Fighting Tigers
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JR had greater supporting talent than Jones, Hodson, Tyler, Davey, etc... and played in a system more geared toward the passing game (being that he had 3 of the best WRs in college football). Also JR had greater physical abilities than any QB in LSU history.
Do the test.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 4:31 am to TheEdge
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You don't know shite about me.
So you don't deny that you just started getting interested in LSU after 2003.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 4:33 am to Fighting Tigers
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So you don't deny that you just started getting interested in LSU after 2003.
No I'm saying you have no fricking clue how long I've been a LSU so don't make judgements.
Now do the test.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 4:41 am to TheEdge
To me, you aren't a Tiger fan worth talking to right now (I'm too tired). If you don't love guys like Jones, Hodson, Tyler, Davey... then what's the point? Yes, I could spin the stats to show JR wasn't the greatest, even just looking at the stats, and I've done this many times in discussion with kids that jumped on the LSU bandwagon over the last couple years. But I'm too tired to do so right now with a Tiger fan who doesn't care that much about our past.
If you want something to do, go look up the only LSU QB that finished in the Heisman voting. Also go look up the only LSU QB named All-American. Hint: not JR.
If you want something to do, go look up the only LSU QB that finished in the Heisman voting. Also go look up the only LSU QB named All-American. Hint: not JR.
This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 4:45 am
Posted on 8/16/08 at 4:48 am to Fighting Tigers
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To me, you aren't a Tiger fan worth talking to right now (I'm too tired)
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If you don't love guys like Jones, Hodson, Tyler, Davey... then what's the point?
Where did I say I didn't.
I love those guys. any guy who went out there and put his body on the line for LSU deserves and has my admiration.
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Yes, I could spin the stats to show JR wasn't the greatest, even just looking at the stats, and I've done this many times in discussion with kids that jumped on the LSU bandwagon over the last couple years.
Uh huh.
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But I'm too tired to do so right now with a Tiger fan who doesn't care that much about our past.
You are making assumptions again.
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Oh yeah, go look up the only LSU QB that finished in the Heisman voting. Also go look up the only LSU QB named All-American. It wasn't JR.
Irrelevant. That's like saying Woodson was > P. Manning in College since he won the Heisman.
Since you are obviously avoiding the issue I will post the answers
JR
Matt Leinart- Crazy Talent, easier schedule.
Matt Ryan- Easy schedule
Alex Smith- MWC Schedule
VY- Maybe the greatest player of the BCS era. A lot fo talent around him.
None of those guys have had better stats than JR.
This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 4:49 am
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:04 am to TheEdge
Woodson was greater than Peyton Manning, IMO. But it is certainly debatable. But there is no doubt Peyton was the #1 QB in the Heisman running (and he finished the #1 QB in the Heisman voting). JR never got a single Heisman vote.
As for your comparison of JR to Vince Young, Leinart, Ryan, Smith... Did any of those guys have three WRs that were 1st and 2nd round NFL picks? I think Leinart had one. What about the others? Also, were any of those guys blessed with the physical tools that God gave to JR?
Those guys got votes for the Heisman because they impressed with what they were given. JR did not do that. Rohan Davey did. Herb Tyler did.
As for Bert Jones, he actually finished as the #1 QB in the 1972 Heisman vote, and he went on to become an MVP in the NFL. Think JR will ever do that?
As for your comparison of JR to Vince Young, Leinart, Ryan, Smith... Did any of those guys have three WRs that were 1st and 2nd round NFL picks? I think Leinart had one. What about the others? Also, were any of those guys blessed with the physical tools that God gave to JR?
Those guys got votes for the Heisman because they impressed with what they were given. JR did not do that. Rohan Davey did. Herb Tyler did.
As for Bert Jones, he actually finished as the #1 QB in the 1972 Heisman vote, and he went on to become an MVP in the NFL. Think JR will ever do that?
This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 5:09 am
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:13 am to Fighting Tigers
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Woodson was greater than Peyton Manning, IMO.
Now I know you are shitting me.
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Did any of those guys have three WRs that were 1st and 2nd round NFL picks? I think Leinart had one.
Did any of them have to face 4 top ten teams on the road?
Actually Leinart did.
Fred Davis(2nd round)
Dwayne Jarrett(2nd round)
Steve Smith(2nd round)
Also which three first/second round pick WRs did LSU have in 06?
I count two
Bowe
Davis
Doucet was a third rounder
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All those guys got votes for the Heisman because they over-achieved. The reason JR didn't get a single vote for the Heisman was because he under-achieved.
Number of losses for JR in 06
2
Result according to you :fail:
Number of losses for LSU in 07
2
Result awesomeness
How is this JR's fault?
If Arky had dropped one more game in 06 who knows what would have happened.
You can't blame JR from Arky not dropping another in conference game.
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However, LSU's Bert Jones finised as the #1 QB in the 1972 Heisman vote, and he went on to become an MVP in the NFL. Think JR will ever do that?
What does this have to do with college?
Woodson isn't > Manning
Bush isn't > Young
Trent Dilfer isn't > Dan Marino
Troy Smith isn't > JR
This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 5:16 am
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:17 am to TheEdge
pretty sad for a LSU fan to dig shite out of his arse to try and put down a former tiger.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:17 am to TheEdge
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Doucet was a third rounder
True. Had Doucet not sat out all those games his last year at LSU because of injury, he would have been 1st or 2nd round.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:22 am to Fighting Tigers
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True. Had Doucet not sat out all those games his last year at LSU because of injury, he would have been 1st or 2nd round.
Had Arky lost to Auburn in '06 LSU might be a 4 NC school right now.
See what I did there?
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:27 am to TheEdge
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True. Had Doucet not sat out all those games his last year at LSU because of injury, he would have been 1st or 2nd round.
Had Arky lost to Auburn in '06 LSU might be a 4 NC school right now.
See what I did there?
Had Pitt lost to West Virginia, Matt Flynn wouldn't be obviously superior to JR.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:30 am to AlaTiger
Why is this thread still going? This is retarded.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 5:34 am to Fighting Tigers
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Actually Leinart did.
Fred Davis(2nd round)
Dwayne Jarrett(2nd round)
Steve Smith(2nd round)
But VY, Smith, and Ryan, didn't right?
As for USC, like most Tiger fans, I still haven't come to terms with how truely great they are. But it is true that:
Leinart as a senior had:
Soph Jarrett (#1 reciever)
Jr Smith (#2 reciever)
Jr Bush (#3 reciever)
Soph Davis was irrelevant back then with only 9 receptions for the year
Leinart as a junior had:
Fr Jarrett (#1 reciever)
Soph Smith (#2 reciever)
Soph Bush (#3 reciever)
Fr Davis was irrelevant back then with only 4 receptions for the year.
Yes, Leinart was loaded. But notice Leinart was throwing to younger guys, whereas JR was not:
JR as a junior had:
Sr Bowe (#1)
Sr Davis (#2)
Jr Doucet (#3)
JR as a soph had:
Jr Bowe (#1)
JR Davis (#2)
So Doucet (#3)
I wonder if they has ever been a QB in history that had the talent JR had to throw to, or the God-given phyiscal attributes that JR had. What do you think?
This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 5:39 am
Posted on 8/16/08 at 6:32 am to Fighting Tigers
I think Leinart had way more talent on offense than JR. Probably the most talent in the history of college football.
DJ(soph) 90+rec 1200+yds
Steve Smith, 90+rec 1000yds
Bush+Lendale ~3000yds rushing
plus a dominant OL.
DJ and Steve Smith while not 1st round draft picks, they were a lot better college WR's than Bowe and Davis.
DJ(soph) 90+rec 1200+yds
Steve Smith, 90+rec 1000yds
Bush+Lendale ~3000yds rushing
plus a dominant OL.
DJ and Steve Smith while not 1st round draft picks, they were a lot better college WR's than Bowe and Davis.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 12:18 pm to Fighting Tigers
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But VY, Smith, and Ryan, didn't right?
Smith played against the fricking MWC for most of the year.
By that logic Michael Chang >>>>> JR, Leinart, Peyton and Eli Manning.
Ryan played against the ACC. You realize the ACC is absolute dog shite right?
quote:
Yes, Leinart was loaded. But notice Leinart was throwing to younger guys, whereas JR was not:
Jesus can you not just admit that USC's talent is great?
I mean in '05 Reggie Bush raped everything in sight. Their O-Line could have tied their hands behind their back and still protected Leinart.
Also just because DJ and SS were second rounder doesn't mean they weren't great College WRs.
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I wonder if they has ever been a QB in history that had the talent JR had to throw to, or the God-given phyiscal attributes that JR had. What do you think?
I think that when you take into account that JR had probably the most difficult schedule of any College QB then there are other guys whose attributes balance out.
As I said Alex Smith got to play against the MWC. If you don't think that is a big advantage then you should off yourself now.
Posted on 8/16/08 at 6:05 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:You think Miles & Fisher came up with the game together? If not why did Miles not step in make changes himself, i'm sure he could have being he's the head coach & all. So Miles is just as much to blame as Fisher.
Does anyone doubt that if we had had Gary Crowton as OC in 2006, we would have won the NC?
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