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re: If it was your decision to make...
Posted on 11/24/09 at 8:56 pm to SS4LSU
Posted on 11/24/09 at 8:56 pm to SS4LSU
Some of you are being unfair to Stoops. I dislike his personality, but consider what he has done in a state historically devoid of talent. He must recruit Texas extremely hard, because Oklahoma produce little BCS level talent. Consider that he usually gets left-overs in Texas. He has won some recruiting battles against Texas, but he must do so with almost everything working against him.
Put him at LSU; a job where ten to fifteen recruits on a yearly basis come from Louisiana; a job where the Mississippi Gulf Coast, Alabama Gulf Coast, and the Florida Gulf Coast areas are closer to Baton Rouge than their respective home state schools; a job where portions of Texas are closer to Baton Rouge than they are to Austin.
I prefer Del Rio, but Stoops would be an outstanding hire.
Put him at LSU; a job where ten to fifteen recruits on a yearly basis come from Louisiana; a job where the Mississippi Gulf Coast, Alabama Gulf Coast, and the Florida Gulf Coast areas are closer to Baton Rouge than their respective home state schools; a job where portions of Texas are closer to Baton Rouge than they are to Austin.
I prefer Del Rio, but Stoops would be an outstanding hire.
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 8:58 pm to SS4LSU
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Almost every replacement has question marks.
You can delete 'Almost'.
The reason is that no single man has the secret to victory. Football is a simple game. Paying someone millions of dollars to do it is ludicrous. Granted, there is more to being a head coach than coaching. It takes a certain level of organizational know-how and political saavy. That's where a coach earns his money.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 8:58 pm to tuptiger
You get it 
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:02 pm to The_Pistol
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#3 - Keep Miles
Why?
- Changing a head coach is more likely to result in fewer wins than more wins.
- The reward does not outweigh the risk.
This is my worry. I would prefer Miles to have some kind of coaching epiphany where all the secrets of coach-dom suddenly hit him and he figures it out. I hate to think of another administration and the struggle usually associated with it. However, at some point the risk becomes necessary.
I WANT Miles to get it together. I have very very little faith that he can. IMO, next year will be awful. Just horrible. Prefer to keep him but think it will become obvious in the very near future why its a bad idea.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I WANT Miles to get it together. I have very very little faith that he can. IMO, next year will be awful. Just horrible. Prefer to keep him but think it will become obvious in the very near future why its a bad idea.
If this is what you truly believe and $ is not an object, I don't understand the reason for keeping him around. I would never keep a coach I didn't have faith could do the job. I'd rather find a new one that I did have faith could do the job.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:16 pm to tuptiger
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Some of you are being unfair to Stoops. I dislike his personality, but consider what he has done in a state historically devoid of talent. He must recruit Texas extremely hard, because Oklahoma produce little BCS level talent. Consider that he usually gets left-overs in Texas. He has won some recruiting battles against Texas, but he must do so with almost everything working against him.
if you look from 1895 to 1998, oklahoma is 7th all time in winning percentage. stoops got there in 1999. so what if he has to pull from texas, thats what OU has always done. thats what weve always done.
hes lost 5 of his last 6 bowl games. he's 1 for 5 against Texas. hes 6-5 this year because he lost his quarterback. LSU lost our top 2 quarterbacks last year, went 8-5 and everyone wants Miles fired.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If money were no option...#1. Fire the dumbass. People would be lined up to come to BR. Why? 4 mil a year, GREAT recruiting, playing Bama, UF, and Aubie every year (exposure). My list of coaches are as follows
Highly unlikely for many of these...
1. Tony Dungy
2. Chucky
3. Herman Edwards
All NFL guys but I would take a shot at all of them before going after college retreads or "hot" coaches.
More likely than not...
1. Brian Kelly - Cincinatti
2. Mike Riley - Oregon State
3. Steve Spurrier
4. Tuberville
Kelly is hot right now, Riley has cosistantly won in the PAC 10 when their talent really doesn't justify it, and Spurrier is in a recruiting sinkhole (USCe battles w/ Clemson, UGA, UF, Fl. St. etc. for "in state" recruits and loses half of them easily!). Tubs, while I can't stand him, is a pretty good coach.
Just my thoughts.
FWIW, I belive #2 will be what we go with. Crowton will be gone soon.
Highly unlikely for many of these...
1. Tony Dungy
2. Chucky
3. Herman Edwards
All NFL guys but I would take a shot at all of them before going after college retreads or "hot" coaches.
More likely than not...
1. Brian Kelly - Cincinatti
2. Mike Riley - Oregon State
3. Steve Spurrier
4. Tuberville
Kelly is hot right now, Riley has cosistantly won in the PAC 10 when their talent really doesn't justify it, and Spurrier is in a recruiting sinkhole (USCe battles w/ Clemson, UGA, UF, Fl. St. etc. for "in state" recruits and loses half of them easily!). Tubs, while I can't stand him, is a pretty good coach.
Just my thoughts.
FWIW, I belive #2 will be what we go with. Crowton will be gone soon.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:19 pm to MastrShake
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LSU lost our top 2 quarterbacks last year, went 8-5 and everyone wants Miles fired.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:22 pm to drizztiger
i know i say he has to go and i think he certainly will go sooner than later if i had the decision at the end of the year i would tell him to do what he likes with the staff but that next year it's sec championship game and bcs bowl or bust.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:22 pm to MastrShake
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hes 6-5 this year because he lost his quarterback
And, if he goes 6 - 5 next year, OU fans will want Stoops fired. That's how we are.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:24 pm to jimmy the leg
Fire Miles. It ain't gonna get better
1) Charlie Strong
2) Gary Patterson
3) Chris Peterson
1) Charlie Strong
2) Gary Patterson
3) Chris Peterson
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:29 pm to geauxbelle
If this is what you truly believe and $ is not an object, I don't understand the reason for keeping him around. I would never keep a coach I didn't have faith could do the job. I'd rather find a new one that I did have faith could do the job.
Didn't say I wanted to keep him. Or would keep him. Just saying it would be my wish that he could, but its pretty clear that he cannot at this point.
The growing pains with a new coach NOW would be long and laborous, and is something to consider as well. None of the elite in coachng would most likely come to LSU right now, they already have gigs. SOmeone from a mid major? Well, remember Curley Hallman.
You have to weigh the cost of another season and getting the RIGHT guy over making a decision now and gambling. LSU should be working behind the scenes now to find a suitable replacement, or find some interest.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:30 pm to diehardfan
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Fire Les Miles, hire Tommy Tuberville.
+ 10000000000
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:31 pm to drizztiger
I choose 1.
Then in order I interview:
Mike Shannahan
Bill Cowher
Jeff Fisher
Gary Patterson
Chris Peterson
Then in order I interview:
Mike Shannahan
Bill Cowher
Jeff Fisher
Gary Patterson
Chris Peterson
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:32 pm to Will Cover
What went wrong with Tuberville at Auburn? I missed the whole thing. One year they were undefeated. Before I knew it, they stunk and he was fired. 
I missed whatever happened in between.
I missed whatever happened in between.Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:36 pm to geauxbelle
I like this thread, but there should be a rule that no one can pick some one w/o head coaching experience.
LSU is not a coordinator promotion job.
LSU is not a coordinator promotion job.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:41 pm to specs1
Hire John Gruden and they would shite their pants in Tuscaloosa and Gainesville.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:44 pm to specs1
Good point specs1, I assume you mean my choice of Charlie Strong.
1)Strong is one hell of a defensive guy
2)He would bring to LSU a pipeline of S. SL talent. If you get a chance see how many players both in and out of FL universities come from Lakeland, Belle Glade, Homestead
3)Politically it is a risk, but if we confront it professionally, LSU goes to an altogether new height as a top choice of national talent
4)I'd rather have an oustanding coordinator from a highly successful program than a head coach for head coaches sake
5) He knows the SEC
Are we ready to make a statement, or do we just want to whine?
1)Strong is one hell of a defensive guy
2)He would bring to LSU a pipeline of S. SL talent. If you get a chance see how many players both in and out of FL universities come from Lakeland, Belle Glade, Homestead
3)Politically it is a risk, but if we confront it professionally, LSU goes to an altogether new height as a top choice of national talent
4)I'd rather have an oustanding coordinator from a highly successful program than a head coach for head coaches sake
5) He knows the SEC
Are we ready to make a statement, or do we just want to whine?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:45 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:
Mike Riley - Oregon State
Riley has cosistantly won in the PAC 10 when their talent really doesn't justify it
Riley is 39-36. In the Pac 10. the Pac 10. 26-13 in the SEC gets Miles fired, but 39-36 in the Pac 10 is some badge of honor?
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Spurrier is in a recruiting sinkhole
its a sinkhole because Spurrier doesnt recruit. people say "oh but with our talent..." but then just ignore how that talent got here. Peterson. Shep. Barksdale. Tolliver. Spurrier never would have heard of them unless they caddied for him.
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Tubs, while I can't stand him, is a pretty good coach.
he lost 6 of his last 7, ending things 36-0 to bama.
only this board would replace someone they think might run the program into the ground, with someone who already has, one year ago.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:45 pm to MastrShake
tell me how miles is better than petrino, patterson, or kelly.
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