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If Dinardo would have fired Tepper..
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:45 am
Do you think he could've won a championship here? He had started to turn the program around before Tepper came in.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:46 am to Choctaw
I don't think Gerry was the leader that it takes to bring a team to a championship, esp a national one
so no, wouldn't have mattered
so no, wouldn't have mattered
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:48 am to Choctaw
quote:
If Dinardo would have never hired Tepper..
Maybe.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:50 am to Choctaw
We would probably be good but not elite. Who knows.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:52 am to Choctaw
i thought 1998 was gonna be our year to win the SEC
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:57 am to NorthshoreTiger76
quote:
We would probably be good but not elite. Who knows.
that's kind of where i'm at. he was a good bridge coach.
he showed that could be successful here especially if you start keeping La talent here.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:00 am to Choctaw
Gerry was not focused enough. Saban would never open up restarants.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:00 am to TDTGodfather
Idk, but is take Morris Watts right now.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:01 am to Choctaw
I know he can beat Clemson in the chicken bowl. Fwiw
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:07 am to Choctaw
DiNardo was always a very level-headed guy, and was always a very good guy. In fact, I liked him much better than Saban or Miles. He was extremely good at getting a program off its feet, sort of playing a Lou Holtz type of role.
He was not temperamentally suited to being a championship coach, however, because unlike Holtz, he was an absolutely terrible disciplinarian.
Would he have won SEC titles if he had been able to keep Watts & Reese in place? Probably so.
Would he have won NC titles if he had been able to keep Watts & Reese in place? Probably not.
All this stuff during the 1990s was occurring within a larger framework of the entire LSU system become much more professionalized than it had been in the past, going beyond the AD and all the way up to the chancellor and system president.
In some ways, DiNardo may have been a free rider on the hard-nosed discipline instilled into the program by Hallman. After 1997, things started getting a little bit too lax.
Ultimately, I don't think DiNardo had the drive or the aggressiveness to push for the things that Saban got done at LSU, with the Cox Center and facilities and stuff like that; although I will say that it might be sort of an open question, because, like I mentioned earlier, all this stuff was happening to some degree anyway, with or without Saban. Even before Emmert, Jenkins was getting stuff done.
There can be no doubt, however, that DiNardo met with calamity when Watts & Reese left and were replaced by McConnell & Tepper. It was just absolutely ridiculous ... worse than Mall-veto even. The whole program, which had accomplished so much from 1995-1997, and was ranked #6 in October 1998, just became a joke, that fast. There was no excuse for losing all those games in '98 & '99.
As an X's & O's man, the team in 1997 was about as well coached of an LSU football team I've ever seen. Regardless of the dumb decisions made in that infamous home loss to Auburn, overall it was one of the most aesthetically pleasing LSU teams there ever was to watch. The running game and blocking schemes were magnificent. The passing attack had sharp routes (even if Herb Tyler was a terrible pocket passer who couldn't see over the heads of linemen). The option was a thing of beauty. On defense, players knew their assignments and played hard and smart. I haven't seen anything like it since.
And yet it wasn't enough, and it all fell apart, and the "drop linebacker" started coming into common usage. Tragic really.
He was not temperamentally suited to being a championship coach, however, because unlike Holtz, he was an absolutely terrible disciplinarian.
Would he have won SEC titles if he had been able to keep Watts & Reese in place? Probably so.
Would he have won NC titles if he had been able to keep Watts & Reese in place? Probably not.
All this stuff during the 1990s was occurring within a larger framework of the entire LSU system become much more professionalized than it had been in the past, going beyond the AD and all the way up to the chancellor and system president.
In some ways, DiNardo may have been a free rider on the hard-nosed discipline instilled into the program by Hallman. After 1997, things started getting a little bit too lax.
Ultimately, I don't think DiNardo had the drive or the aggressiveness to push for the things that Saban got done at LSU, with the Cox Center and facilities and stuff like that; although I will say that it might be sort of an open question, because, like I mentioned earlier, all this stuff was happening to some degree anyway, with or without Saban. Even before Emmert, Jenkins was getting stuff done.
There can be no doubt, however, that DiNardo met with calamity when Watts & Reese left and were replaced by McConnell & Tepper. It was just absolutely ridiculous ... worse than Mall-veto even. The whole program, which had accomplished so much from 1995-1997, and was ranked #6 in October 1998, just became a joke, that fast. There was no excuse for losing all those games in '98 & '99.
As an X's & O's man, the team in 1997 was about as well coached of an LSU football team I've ever seen. Regardless of the dumb decisions made in that infamous home loss to Auburn, overall it was one of the most aesthetically pleasing LSU teams there ever was to watch. The running game and blocking schemes were magnificent. The passing attack had sharp routes (even if Herb Tyler was a terrible pocket passer who couldn't see over the heads of linemen). The option was a thing of beauty. On defense, players knew their assignments and played hard and smart. I haven't seen anything like it since.
And yet it wasn't enough, and it all fell apart, and the "drop linebacker" started coming into common usage. Tragic really.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:10 am to biglego
quote:zing
I know he can beat Clemson in the chicken bowl. Fwiw
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:12 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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i thought 1998 was gonna be our year to win the SEC
I'll never understandd why people couldn't foresee how shitty Tepper was early on. Illinois went 0-11. That's 0. for. 11. The same program that produced Red Grange and Dick Butkus. O. for. 11.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:12 am to Doc Fenton
Agree. Dinardo may have gotten to Atlanta, but would have never survived the 2000s SEC surge. He would have been a Phillip Fulmer-lite. As the SEC strengthened, he was phased out
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:14 am to Doc Fenton
Thanks Doc...I literally have no more questions about Dinardo.
You pretty much summed everything up

Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:14 am to Doc Fenton
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Doc Fenton
Great post man.

I do think that if he had great coordinators, we would have been in pretty good position starting in the 2000s. Those 01 and 03 classes were huge in the success we had under Saban, and most of those were LA kids, so I think Dinardo could have gotten most of them even if he wasn't able to get the facilities upgrades that Saban did.
I think the Cox Center and admin additions were the key to unlocking LSUs ability to recruit nationally, more than locally.
Also, with Spurrier leaving the SEC after 01, the time was ripe for another program like LSU to step up to that consistent championship level regardless. Georgia, Auburn, LSU, and even Arkansas and Bama at points were all fighting to gain ground in a suddenly winnable conference without Spurrier, whereas before Tennessee was the only consistent challenger.
That more than anything is the reason for the surge in SEC power IMO.
It really was a perfect storm, and Saban did a great job of capitalizing on the LA talent to get those changes made at a time when the SEC was vulnerable to a new contender coming from within the ranks.

This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 11:17 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:14 am to Choctaw
Not with Fulmer @UT & Spurrier @UF
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:15 am to Choctaw
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He had started to turn the program around before Tepper came in.
yes for a brief shining moment he was bringing back the magic, ofcourse any effort would have been better than curley hallman, DiNardos stubborn head was his demise.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:17 am to Choctaw
Miles could not have done what Dinardo did, fact
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:22 am to LSUsmartass
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Miles could not have done what Dinardo did, fact

He did pretty much the exact same thing at OSU that Dinardo did here.
I don't think people appreciate just how awful that OSU program was.
AND he did it in a state with less local talent than LA and while playing second fiddle to OU in state, not to mention Nebraska and Texas in the region.
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