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re: I really don't like Crowton BUT
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:36 pm to 1p56
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:36 pm to 1p56
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So Miles had his new OC learn the old OC's playbook and style for one year in order to keep continuity for a 5th yr SR?
This.
Are you guys saying that Crowton was running Jimbo's offense for one year?
I've never known a OC to come into any program or team, take the former OC's playbook/schemes, run it for one year, then move onto his own playbook/schemes the following year.
This is amazing.
Edit: So... should Crowton dust off Jimbo's playbook and install the "old" offense?
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 8:38 pm
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Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:36 pm to Dead Fish
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Because Matt Flynn was the product of 4 years of Jimbo Fisher's coaching and because thankfully Miles made him keep the bulk of Fisher's offense for the 2007 season with the exception of the Pistol package.
wrong and wrong...Green Bay has said several times that Flynn needed a lot of coaching when he got there because he was basically undeveloped as a QB...in addition, by mid to end of the year LSU was running plays Fisher never called. Flynn was successful because he was smart enough to understand Crowton, and because he has some innate QB skills.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:40 pm to ForeLSU
Last night opened my eyes. (LSU-Vandy game)
I agree with the poster that the main reason we're seeing a bad offense is due to QB play, and the coaches have NO CONFIDENCE in the QB(s).
The defenses do not respect LSU's passing game AT ALL. Hence, they can perhaps "read and react" when a pass is coming, rather than respecting a balanced offense.
Then, to top it off, LSU loses Z. Lee.
I agree with the poster that the main reason we're seeing a bad offense is due to QB play, and the coaches have NO CONFIDENCE in the QB(s).
The defenses do not respect LSU's passing game AT ALL. Hence, they can perhaps "read and react" when a pass is coming, rather than respecting a balanced offense.
Then, to top it off, LSU loses Z. Lee.
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:40 pm to Dead Fish
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in 2007 LSU ran Fisher's offense
You weren't watching closely. As I remember it, I (from my couch) could not tell every Fisher-called play we were running simply by looking at the offensive set. During Fisher's reign, I could call 75%+ of the plays pre-snap.
This was not the case in 2007 under Crowton.
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:42 pm to Dead Fish
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Yeah you are a 10 on the stupidity scale. But I'm not the only one on this board that remembers well that in 2007 LSU ran Fisher's offense with the exception of the Pistol package because both Flynn and Perrilloux were the products of Fisher's coaching.
Stupid + persistent is a bad combo, homey.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:47 pm to cyogi
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This.
Are you guys saying that Crowton was running Jimbo's offense for one year?
I've never known a OC to come into any program or team, take the former OC's playbook/schemes, run it for one year, then move onto his own playbook/schemes the following year.
This is amazing.
I and a lot of others as well remember reading about 40 articles in both the spring and fall of 2007 about that fact. Maybe some of you guys should lay off the sauce because it is clear that it is destroying your brain cells.
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Edit: So... should Crowton dust off Jimbo's playbook and install the "old" offense?
Because unlike Flynn and Perilloux, the quarterbacks we have today are the products of his 3 years of coaching.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:49 pm to Dead Fish
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Because unlike Flynn and Perilloux, the quarterbacks we have today are the products of his 3 years of coaching.
You forgot JaMarcus.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:49 pm to Dead Fish
Delusion is the ability to look around you and see that no one sees what you see, and yet to firmly believe it regardless.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:55 pm to ForeLSU
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wrong and wrong
And you have the memory of a mental incompetent!
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Green Bay has said several times that Flynn needed a lot of coaching when he got there because he was basically undeveloped as a QB.
Not Green Bay but Flynn said it himself.
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by mid to end of the year LSU was running plays Fisher never called.
Yeah that's about right as it coincides when LSU offensively started to slowly deteriorate relative to the Va Tech game.
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Flynn was successful because he was smart enough to understand Crowton, and because he has some innate QB skills.
Flynn and Perrilloux were both successful to the extent that Fisher's offense was retained and became less and less successful as the season progressed as Crowton slowly installed more and more of his offense.
I remember well the rant during that time thinking that Crowton was a God when it wasn't even his offense he was running. Apparently you were one of those delusional Ranters. Now three dreadful years later, welcome to reality!
Posted on 9/12/10 at 8:56 pm to Dead Fish
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I and a lot of others as well remember reading about 40 articles in both the spring and fall of 2007 about that fact.
Any others wanna chime in support here for Dead Fish? Maybe a link or two perhaps?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:01 pm to Housplants
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Flynn was successful because he was smart enough to understand Crowton, and because he has some innate QB skills.
You should have laid off the bruskies more, and I'm sorry but Crowton is no God.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:03 pm to Dead Fish
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Apparently you were one of those delusional Ranters. Now three dreadful years later, welcome to reality!
no, reality is that dumbshits like you have been around for years...thanks for your contributions though.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:03 pm to 1p56
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Any others wanna chime in support here for Dead Fish? Maybe a link or two perhaps?
Antonio Moss already has on the first page genius! As for as a link, sorry but newspapers charge for archived articles.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:03 pm to Dead Fish
How is he deifying Crowton? If anything, he's saying that Flynn was able to overcome Crowton's deficiencies because of innate talents.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:05 pm to Dead Fish
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You should have laid off the bruskies more, and I'm sorry but Crowton is no God.
didn't say he was...I wasn't for the hire when it happened, and wanted him fired last year. His problem is he needs a QB like Flynn who understands all of his needless complexities...
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:13 pm to chilge1
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How is he deifying Crowton?
Who is defying Crowton?
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If anything, he's saying that Flynn was able to overcome Crowton's deficiencies because of innate talents.
What are you talking about?
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:14 pm to ForeLSU
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didn't say he was...I wasn't for the hire when it happened, and wanted him fired last year. His problem is he needs a QB like Flynn who understands all of his needless complexities...
His problem is he eventually ruins the quarterbacks and offense everywhere he goes.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:22 pm to Dead Fish
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Who is defying Crowton?
D-E-I-F-Y...
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What are you talking about?
Trying to explain a point that you couldn't grasp the first time around. Third time's the charm?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:22 pm to Dead Fish
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His problem is he eventually ruins the quarterbacks and offense everywhere he goes.
imagine that?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 9:25 pm to Dead Fish
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As for as a link, sorry but newspapers charge for archived articles.
lsusports.com doesn't...
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On what the offensive scheme will be at LSU now ...
“I think what will happen is the offensive staff will get together with coach Miles, and we’ll sit down and we’ll look at the things (former LSU offensive coordinator) Jimbo (Fisher) did. He did some outstanding things here. We’ll look at things he did. We’ll look at things that I’ve done in the past, (things) that coach Miles has done and all the offensive staff. We’ll kind of melt together what we think will be the best opportunity for us to score points and win football games with the talent that we do have here. That’s kind of how we’re going to do it. We’re not going to just come in and just take one offense that we’ve all seen, whether it be Jimbo’s, whether it be Oregon’s or BYU’s or Oklahoma State for that matter. What we’re going to do is meld them all together based on our personnel here and what we need to do in this conference to win.”
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A week under Crowton’s tutelage, Miles said the Tigers are already adapting and responding to the first-year offensive coordinator.
“It’s been fun (working with Gary),” Miles said. “I sure have enjoyed how the offense has looked in a very short amount of time. We have been throwing and catching the ball very well as well as doing a good job running the football.
“I think there will be differences. There is a lot of fun being youthful in an offense that is being implemented for the first time and trying to have a position for you. The quarterbacks are thrilled with it, the running backs are thrilled and right now it is going really well.”
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Matt Flynn...On his relationship with new offensive coordinator Gary Crowton ...
“Me and coach Crowton have developed a very close relationship. We’ve worked a lot together studying film. Just me and him sitting down and going over plays and reading defenses. He’s taught me a lot about just the game in general, not just specific plays. We are getting on the same page and building some chemistry.
“I know what he’s going to want before the play even starts. It’s good that that’s going to happen, that me and him can be on the same page. I think it’s going to help the offense in general.”
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Jacob Hester....On Gary Crowton ...
“When he was the coach at Louisiana Tech, I was the biggest Tim Rattay (former Tech QB) fan in the world. When I heard he was coming, I knew he was going to open up the passing game for the running backs. He has some plays for the running backs that we aren’t used to, and that other teams aren’t going to be able to just focus on the receivers or the running game. He brings a whole new dimension to the game compared to the pro offense we ran last year.”
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BATON ROUGE -- Lost in all of the excitement of last week’s dismantling of ninth-ranked Virginia Tech has been the steady and creative play of the LSU offense in its two games under first-time starter Matt Flynn and first-year coordinator Gary Crowton.
Through two games, the second-ranked Tigers have put a total of 93 points and 945 yards of offense together in wins over Mississippi State and Virginia Tech. The 93 points during the first two games of the season is the most by an LSU team since scoring 108 points in wins over Louisiana-Monroe and Arizona to open the 2003 season.
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