re: I know this has been discussed b4 but....

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Just trying to figure how the coaches could not play this guy. Imagine if he 6/7 starts under his belt right now instead of 2.

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Imagine if all the mistakes he made against Arkansas (giving up sacks, 9/21 passing, etc) were after having spent 14-15 weeks practicing and studying the playbook, working with the coaching staff and familiarizing himself with the college game. Now imagine what the mistakes would have been like when he'd only had 3 or 4 weeks preparation. And imagine the 6/7 losses we may have had with those mistakes at Auburn and South Carolina, or maybe even against Mississippi State.

No, I'm not saying this would necessarily have been the case. Jefferson could have blossomed into Joe Montana from day 1 as a true freshman. What I'm saying is that many players are much different 10-12 weeks into their 1st season than they are at the beginning or even the middle of that season. And since Les Miles obviously wants to win, the easily most logical conclusion is that in his judgment and that of his staff, Jefferson was not the best option for us until late in the season.

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Jefferson was not the best option for us until late in the season.

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such a bullshite answer.

miles does not trust freshman.

period.

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No, I'm not saying this would necessarily have been the case. Jefferson could have blossomed into Joe Montana from day 1 as a true freshman. What I'm saying is that many players are much different 10-12 weeks into their 1st season than they are at the beginning or even the middle of that season. And since Les Miles obviously wants to win, the easily most logical conclusion is that in his judgment and that of his staff, Jefferson was not the best option for us until late in the season.

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HORSE!!!shite!!!

I took up for JL all the way until I saw JJ come in for the Ole Miss game. JJ is a much more comfortable pocket passer, and he scrambles much better than JL. He had this talent all along, and I can't believe Miles waited until he absolutely had no choice BUT to put him in when JL got hurt. WE should have, at the very least, ran a two QB system with JJ and JL just to get JJ the touches, especially knowing what kind of talent JJ has!!! Miles just doesn't utilize the talent he has. FOR EXAMPLE: the only way Holliday can be effective is to put him in for at least 15 offensive plays, and only give him the ball on about 6 of those plays. INstead, Miles puts him in 4 times a game, and gives it to him every time. SO OBVIOUS!!! You can't argue with that KINGJOEY.

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Ah. So obviously that explains why he kept the freshman QB on the bench and kept starting the . . . freshman?

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JL is a true freshmen now?

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Miles just doesn't utilize the talent he has.

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the only way Holliday can be effective is to put him in for at least 15 offensive plays, and only give him the ball on about 6 of those plays. INstead, Miles puts him in 4 times a game, and gives it to him every time.

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You can't argue with that KINGJOEY

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Well, you're right there. I absolutely cannot argue with . . . whatever that was.

But I can point out that you just claimed that Trindon Holliday has only been in on 4 plays in every game, and that he gets the ball every time he is in. If you really think on that, I think you might realize why there's no real point in responding to your "arguments."

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Jefferson has been playing hands down better than Lee all season and Miles & Co. just didn't notice

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Yes and that's my final answer. They screwed up but learned by accident how much of an athlete Jefferson is. I don't think Miles and Crowton are above making a mistake. You see it happen with the coach in every sport at every level. Remember Tom Brady started as a rookie in the SuperBowl and the rest is history.

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Nope, but it is why Miles started Hatch (Junior) over Lee...and Lee>>Hatch.

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likeI said, miles plays the upperclassmen first.

not the more talented player.

hence hester > scott last year.

what I meant was miles played hester over scott and KW.

in which he played the more senior guy instead of the more talented one.

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what I meant was miles played hester over scott and KW.

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yup...perfect example...I have said this before, and everyone attacked me saying that Hester>>Scott and KW...I didn't even waste my words to argue.

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JL is a true freshmen now?

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Did you say anything about true freshmen? No, don't think so.

Miles benched an upper-classman for a RS Freshman. Then he benched a RS Freshman for a True Freshman. Richard Dickson has been starting since he was a freshman. Keiland Williams was a starter as a freshman. Ciron Black started every game as a freshman. Patrick Peterson started as a true freshman. This bullshite about "Miles won't play freshmen" is ridiculous.

Bottom line is that he has and does play freshmen, and that he has been highly successful. So obviously he has a pretty good idea of when a freshman should or should not be played. That does not mean that he is always right, but given his success and the fact that there is a reason you don't see "freshman starters" listed as a team strength, I don't think it makes much sense simply to assume he's wrong when we know absolutely nothing about how the freshman in question was performing before he showed up in a game.