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re: I guess Matt Flynn was better than JaMarcus Russell after all

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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:54 am to
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in overtime

not against UK. i was actually wrong. we scored 37 points, 10 coming in OT. so we scored 27 points in regulation. nothing amazing
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:54 am to
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It was a better team and had better losses. Better QB play and a better D. If you only want to go with Championships, Then LSU backed in to the NC game in 2007 and everybody knows it. NOBODY wanted to play the 2006 team at the end of the year[even FLA] You can't say this about the 2007 team.
While all of this is true, I'll still take the championships over the "we were better that year" argument. That argument is for stat whores and losers.
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:55 am to
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You calling people a tard without making an argument for your case is less credible fyi.

Because people use the LSU scored more points in their losses in Flynn's losses than in Russell's losses so Flynn is better argument.

No argument is necessary to argue with such blatant stupidity. It's not worth my time.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:55 am to
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He wasn't great,

he was horrible

sub 50% completion rate a 3.7 YPA? do you realize how utterly horrible 3.7 ypa is?

Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:56 am to
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He wasn't great, but I don't think the game was on him.
Russell was better in the Auburn game and he gets CREAMED for that performance.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:57 am to
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2007 had championships and 2006 didn't



2007 = 2 losses to unranked teams, one on road, one at home.

2006 = 2 losses to two top 5 teams on the road, one to the eventual national champion
Normally I agree with you on most things, but this is a weak argument and you know it. The end result if the ultimate determination of success.
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:57 am to
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not against UK. i was actually wrong. we scored 37 points, 10 coming in OT. so we scored 27 points in regulation. nothing amazing

It's the receivers' fault. That's always their excuse when bringing up stats.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:57 am to
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How can you say 2006 was better?


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The defense couldn't stop anyone, even a sad KY team that down the stretch turned out to be way overhyped because of one player.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:57 am to
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I'll still take the championships over the "we were better that year" argument

championships involve a lot of luck and are not only a team stat, but are based a lot on circumstances

just look at this year and how down the top of CFB is. you put either bama, LSU, or OSU in 2004 and all are in trouble
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:58 am to
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The end result if the ultimate determination of success.

not all seasons/schedules are equal
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:58 am to
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not against UK. i was actually wrong. we scored 37 points, 10 coming in OT.


Yea. I weas wondering what you were talkin about with the 43 thing. Lets not forget that Scott had over 100 yds in the 1st half of the UK game and didn't see the field in the 2nd half. LSU wins that game if scott keeps totin the rock.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:58 am to
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Normally I agree with you on most things, but this is a weak argument and you know it.


how is that weak?

isn't that what happened?


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2007 = 2 losses to unranked teams, one on road, one at home.

2006 = 2 losses to two top 5 teams on the road, one to the eventual national champion
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:58 am to
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no. drive is internal
that's why he needed extra help from the stability that is the LSU football program and family.
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plenty of other 21 year olds stopped working, like JR, when they got to the NFL

And they probably had the same flawed safety net and internal support that JR had.
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 10:59 am to
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not all seasons/schedules are equal

They choose the "facts are facts" argument in this case but not when discussing actual QB performance. I love it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:00 am to
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that's why he needed extra help from the stability that is the LSU football program and family.

if he didn't have drive by 21 he wasn't going to get it. he put in work, but just enough to be elite in college, on the path to getting paid. once he got paid he lost his drive

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And they probably had the same flawed safety net and internal support that JR had.


we have only ourselves to blame for internal failures

what safety net do you think flynn took to green bay?
This post was edited on 1/2/12 at 11:00 am
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:00 am to
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Scott had over 100 yds in the 1st half of the UK game and didn't see the field in the 2nd half. LSU wins that game if scott keeps totin the rock.


this has to be one of the biggest mysteries of the last 10 years of LSU football

was he hurt?
did he say something wrong to the coaches?

no one knows
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:00 am to
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how is that weak?

isn't that what happened?
Yes but the SEC and NC championships will be remembered in LSU lore and CFB history forever.

LSU "losing 2 games on the road but golly gee were were still a great team" is a mere footnote and worthy only of cheerleader posts from the likes of Hot Carl.
This post was edited on 1/2/12 at 11:01 am
Posted by Billder
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:01 am to
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While all of this is true, I'll still take the championships over the "we were better that year" argument. That argument is for stat whores and losers.


I agree, but that is not the point of this thread. The OP made the assertion that Flynn was better than JR in college. He was wrong, and it sounds like you are too.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:01 am to
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That argument is for stat whores and losers.


1st off I am not a stat whore. As for the loser comment. I think you are a tad jealuos cause I am right. There are 5 teams at least that could have beaten 2007 LSU in the NC game. BTW I don't like the BACKING in bullshite. You can't say that about the 2006 team. AND If JR was the QB in 2007, LSU goes unbeaten IMO.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:02 am to
well it still happened

honestly, LSU should have lost the bama game that year as well due to flynn's horrible play, but the defense bailed him out at the end.

3 int's in the first half I believe...
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