re: How would Orgeron be regarded with a win over UF?

That's changing this year. Florida ain't gonna do anything this year

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The same because these stupid mofos slamming him all the time are the same ones who dick-rode Miles right into the sunset and continue to do so from afar. 

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Thats just not true. There are plenty of posters that didnt like miles that also don't agree with a 55 year old career dlime coach being named lsu's head coach.

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Stfu! Please...

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Or what boy?

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Do you ever get tired of arguing with straw men? I didn't say we had overwhelming talent. I said he underachieved. He let the talent level slip, and he was responsible for it.

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That isn't a straw man argument. Miles was fired for underachieving with all this talent and npw that he is gome youre trying to argue that we arent really that talented so you can explain away Ed Orgeron's losses.


Our classes have been stacked the last 4 years. The only people that question our talent are people that are trying to explain away coach O's losses.
We are just as talented as any program not named Bama.

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The shifting of goal posts has been, and likely will continue to be, interesting to watch.

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Yeah it will be. It's no longer the head coach's fault for the offense looking lost on really important plays. .

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There are plenty of posters that didnt like miles that also don't agree with a 55 year old career dlime coach being named lsu's head coach.

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So this should be a license to slam the guy before he even has a chance to make his mark? The criticisms of Miles were legit because we witnessed firsthand his undoing.

frick you calling boy? Bitch if we ever met I'd drop yo pussy arse. Go find another team to bitch about, lil'bitch

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Great assistants are his own doing, so he should get full credit for that. The "great roster" is a bit of a myth. Despite high recruiting rankings, this team has major talent and depth deficiencies in multiple areas. Linebacker is a mess, DL is still not great. The secondary is talented but will be depending on some guys who are yet unproven. The offensive line has work to do. We don't have very many receivers that we know we can count on. Our QB situation is still less than ideal, although better than it was a year ago. Comparing our roster to Alabama right now is an absolute joke. With equal coaching, Alabama would/should beat us by at least three TDs in Tuscaloosa this year.

This team will be challenged to perform well against a pretty tough schedule. Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, obviously Alabama and even Mississippi State are all very difficult games. Of course you can never overlook anybody in the SEC, so Arkie, Ole Miss and Aggy are not exactly breathers, either. The opener against BYU could be very tricky because they are a good team and they will already have played a game before. Troy has given us fits both times we've played them before, once under Saban and once under Miles. Syracuse certainly wasn't a pushover when we played them in 2015 even though they started a 5th-string walk-on freshman QB in his first game.

If we have success these first couple of years under Orgeron, it'll be a good sign for the future, because he certainly has not inherited a powerhouse like Miles did.

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You are correct. There are issues all over the roster. And the nimrods around here will blame EO if he doesn't win 10... because they expect him to turn water into wine. 2018 is going to be a difficult year for all of us and if EO survives that year, we should trend upwards after that. In 2018, we will be breaking in a new QB, new RB, and positions all over the field. Gonna be a tough year and EO will have every stone in the river thrown at him.

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That Florida game was my worst nightmare and reminded me of Les's LSU squads....

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So, that UF game reminded you for the most successful coach against Florida in LSU football history?

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I personally would still believe:

- His only stint as a permanent head coach was a failure
- He hasn't totally proven he's a different coach
- He will likely have some success his first couple years due to his great assistants and great roster we have
- It's questionable whether the model of keeping top-level assistants on board every single year is sustainable

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I just don't see it this way.
1. A lot of great coaches had failures early in their careers. Some learn from it and some don't. To me, it is easy to see he learned from that experience.
2. I think EO will do ok this year, but 2018 is going to be really difficult. I think we should begin to move forward as a program after 2018. Our roster is not as great as you think. We have gaps everywhere. I mean, we were using walk-ons and no name players on 1st team at certain positions just to field a team.
3. I think he has proven he is a totally different coach. His demeanor is different. His philosophy is different. He obviously picked up a lot of things from Carroll. He literally has done everything perfectly since becoming the interim and now head coach. He hired the absolute best assistants on the planet. He kept the ones we needed to keep. He has stayed out of their way. He has been straight forward but likable. He has put a ton of attention on recruiting. I mean at this point, what else could he have done?
4. I think you are correct with regard to whether or not his system will be effective and sustainable.

But he is in the SEC west. The toughest place there is. Had he taken over a program at another school and done what he is doing, you would likely see a much more dramatic improvement on the field. But the holes in our team are going to stand out this year and next, and that is something the coaches can try and work around, but that is much easier to do against lighter teams and conferences, and not as easy to do when you face the schedule we do.