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re: How on God's green Earth did LSU have 6 straight losing seasons

Posted on 11/23/10 at 1:43 am to
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 11/23/10 at 1:43 am to
Also, remember these "gems" and how great they were to become:

Sammie Seamster
Toorun Robinson
Anthony Williams
Artie Moore
Robby Green
Kevin Franklin

Yeah, the above mentioned were just stellar.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 11/23/10 at 1:53 am to
Arnsparger was a good defensive coach...played a style that was bend and do not break and blitzed about 10 percent of the time. The game was different then.

Yes, he won an SEC c'ship but people talk about Miles inheriting a team and underachieving? 1984-1986 were of monor importance as Bill could NOT win a bowl game. He won some big games, but ost to two teams in '86 that we should have never been down to in Miami (OH) and Ole Miss.

He made two TERRIBLE field position calls vs. Bama in '85 and Ole Miss in '86...FG kicks were not lined up in center of the hashes.
Posted by Crassus
Member since Dec 2008
104 posts
Posted on 11/23/10 at 6:47 am to
Joe Dean and Charley Cusimano
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33899 posts
Posted on 11/23/10 at 8:25 am to
quote:

Players cheating and fighting - fighting LSU's basketball team.
- terrible offensive lines
- inability to keep guys in-state like Raynoch Thompson, Jarvis Reado, Marshall Faulk, and Peyton Manning
- a 2-9 season that saw us get goose egged by Ole Miss and Tennessee
- After Hodson, no good qb's whatsoever from Sol Graves to Loup to Jesse Daigle to Melvin Hill to Jamie Howard


Jamie was a good player - woefully undercoached.

Reynoch actually came out when LSU had a winning season....

Marshall Faulk.. everyone in the south missed on him...

as for the fight with the basketball team.. better dig for the truth here and why no basketball players got in trouble.... but the football players were not in the wrong here..
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94838 posts
Posted on 11/23/10 at 3:10 pm to
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a 2-9 season that saw us get goose egged by Ole Miss and Tennessee


And that must have been some kind of bad Mississippi State team in 1992... we beat them 24-3.

(And we lost to Kentucky in Tiger Stadium, something we've only done 6 times in history).

Other stellar games in the loss column in 1992 - Colorado State and the second of our 5 consecutive season opening whuppings by aTm.

Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:09 pm to
I think people are too hard on Archer for recruiting deficiencies. Louisiana high schools were graduating kids who just could not meet the Prop. 48 requirements. It took several years for them to get up to speed. Archer had to go outside Louisiana during those years, and he was not successful at bringing in the necessary talent. By the end of his tenure LSU had zero depth on the roster. I still think Archer was an okay X's and O's coach, he just wasn't a program leader.

By the time Louisiana high schools got up to speed with Prop. 48 we had Hallman as coach. Hallman never filled the roster with sufficient talent at all positions to be competitive in the SEC. He got the occasional star player, but his teams never had breadth of talent to win, and depth was a joke. When you compound the talent deficiencies with the coaching deficiencies you get Hallman type results. The absolute low point of modern LSU football history.

DiNardo was able to reduce the flight of Louisiana high school talent to out of state schools, and he began to fill the roster with players who could win in the SEC. However, he had his limitations as a coach and leader of a football program. They became evident when he lost quality assistant coaches and replaced them with lesser talented people.

Many of the problems for LSU's football program were exacerbated by Joe Dean's decisions to concentrate solely on controlling costs in the athletic department rather than seeking to increase revenues. There was little to no investment in correcting the obvious deficiencies in the football program. And it took the creation and influence of the Tiger Athletic Foundation and hiring of Mark Emmert to really get the program back into the elite levels of college football with an institutional commitment to excellence.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11589 posts
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:18 pm to
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I think Bill Arnsbarger started the decline. He could really coach but could not recruit. He won with Jerry Stovall's players and then left the cupboard bare for Mike Archer when he left to go to Florida. It took a long time to recover from that and along with Hallman's hire, things went South


Hello, you hit the nail on the head.....
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
31039 posts
Posted on 11/23/10 at 10:56 pm to
Poodle is spot-on, and there were some BOS members whom were more focused on lining their pockets with whom supplied LSU sporting events with their company's cola, breads, meats, building contracts, sub-contrator work contracts around campus, supplier deals to LSU, the Union, vending machines, etc..

Outside of building the football practice facility, most every LSU HC had to generate his own program's answers somewhat..thus Skip built up LSU Baseball and base to address it's need$..Dale Brown barnstorming the state with P&G balls and nets to build his fanbase..Pat Henry's T&Fers showering at dorm and changing in Bernie Moore/Field House rooms..etc..
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