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re: How much improvement do you expect in your offense?

Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:45 pm to
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:45 pm to
Very doubtful being one dimensional, it is partly LSU's problem the past few years. Our running game could be opened up even more if we were able to throw over the top any last year. Defense won't be as good as last year, IMO.

LSU doesn't need a great passing game, they just need to make passes when they're critical. That and respect(or at least some) over the top will open the entire offense up.
This post was edited on 6/11/11 at 11:47 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:47 pm to
Trade'em all-in and become a Tiger!
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:48 pm to
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I think Ware will prove to be a better RB than Ridley but not by much (and this is TBD). Ridley was one tough dude to tackle for all 13 games last year. Ware needs to provde himself game-in and game-out (and yes I expect him to). Ford needs to run as strong as he is.


Ware is about the same size as Ridley and should be harder to take down in his second year. The big difference between the two is that Ridley offers no home run threat. He can plow through the line and always fell forward but he isn't going to outrun anyone. Ware can do it all and is also a much better receiver.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:48 pm to
I'm just saying Ridley was an awesome and somewhat underrated player last season in my opinion.

This fall's team will have the potential to give crazy yardage statistics to any number of different RBs. The O-line should be the best LSU's had in a long time, and JJ knows how to run the option now.

That could equal a nightmare for opposing defenses. IDK. I guess I might just be optimistic here, but I sure as hell wasn't optimistic about our offense in 2009 or 2010.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:52 pm to
Potential in our offense is ridiculous but it all hinges on QB play. We need some type of passing attack. We're wasting weapons at WR like RR/RS. RR is a first round talent if LSU would give him the ball more. RS just needed time at WR and I think he'll be more comfortable there this year. RS can be the breakout player we've all be hoping for. People just had unrealistic expectations for him last year. Most people don't see heavy maturity until Junior/Senior year. RS had no experience at WR in HS and barely a few months before last year. If JJ improves his passing attack to just average, we'll be a really good offense, IMO.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
127287 posts
Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:57 pm to
Are all Oregon fans this fricking retarded?
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/11/11 at 11:58 pm to
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If JJ improves his passing attack to just average


Well that's not going to happen. The guy flat cannot read defenses, make quick decisons, and throw quickly deep over the middle of the field. It will absolutely, positively NEVER happen.

That being said, JJ's always been competent at the rollout pass, occasionally decent at slants, and has always been excellent at throwing deep bombs on fly routes--especially off play action.

If Kragthorpe is smart, he will figure out how to play to JJ's strengths when he is in the game (e.g., not expect him to be effective with screen passes), or just take him the hell out and put Jarrett Lee or Zach Mettenberger in the game when necessary.

We have a 5th year, 4th year, and 3rd year QB, so I'm really not that worried about that position as it pertains to the whole season.

I'm a little bit spooked by the thought of the coaches dogmatically sticking with JJ for the whole Oregon game no matter what, but as we've seen from the Bama game and others, JJ can be quite effective when he's just in there to use his feet to make busted plays work, thus providing just enough distraction to keep our power running game steamrolling the opponent.

This is a team that could average over 200 ypg rushing in our 8 SEC games this season.
This post was edited on 6/12/11 at 12:03 am
Posted by StreetDiction
Austin
Member since Dec 2009
3966 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:00 am to
Ridley was a tough runner but ware should have more big yardage runs. He should also be a good checkdown for jj. If krags is a qb coach surely this will be utilized more.

O line brings back a lot of experience and judging from spring videos shep can actually catch now. Not sure how big of a factor he will be but if jj can actually hit him stride he could have some big plays.

Plus crowton gave away most of our plays depending on the package he ran. It was like in techmo bowl when they picked your play but you could still gain a few yards if you broke a tackle behind the los.

Just imagine the damage lsu can do with the actual element of surprise on a non 4th down play.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:05 am to
I honestly cannot understand all the premature confidence the fanbase seems to currently be having with Ware, but fwiw, I hope it works out as advertised and Ware really does set the CFB world on fire this fall.

Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:12 am to
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I honestly cannot understand all the premature confidence the fanbase seems to currently be having with Ware, but fwiw, I hope it works out as advertised and Ware really does set the CFB world on fire this fall.


Ware earned his merit for his performance in the Cotton Bowl. He looked better than Ridley and Cyrus Gray whom the Aggies tout as the best senior runningback in CFB for the upcoming season. Ware also jumped the ultra-talented Mike Ford who had a red-shirt season prior.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:16 am to
I am extremely skeptical of judging players based on blowout bowl games ... or really any bowl games to be honest.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:21 am to
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I honestly cannot understand all the premature confidence the fanbase seems to currently be having with Ware


it's simple. that boy good.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:26 am to
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or really any bowl games to be honest


Bowl games are normally the showcase games of the year.

Ware didn't get much opportunity during the regular season because Ridley was the incumbant and he was only a true freshman. Les pretty much appointed Ware as the starter for the Cotton Bowl when Ridley's status for the game was in question. Les/Wilson knew what they had in Ware therefore having him jump Blue and Ford. TAMU's defense wasn't a joke especially with their leader being the #2 pick in the NFL draft. Ware diced them up for over 10 yds/carry for over 100 yards as a backup to Ridley.
This post was edited on 6/12/11 at 12:28 am
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:28 am to
That's what Rivals tells us.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:30 am to
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That's what Rivals tells us.


As a 5-star, I would assume so. Definitely backed it up when given his opportunity.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45944 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:30 am to
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I know you recently hired a new coordinator, so there should be some hiccups in your offense when you move to a new scheme.



we're not really going to a new scheme as much as we're emphasizing what we do well. the Cotton Bowl is pretty much what I think we'll try to look like on offense: hard-nosed running, some option mixed in, and a greater emphasis on the deep ball. of course there'll be other stuff, but those are the things we'll stress primarily. we bout to ball out this yr.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45944 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:31 am to
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That's what Rivals tells us.



get on this bandwagon, dog. it's not too late.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:32 am to
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Ware diced them up for over 10 yds/carry for over 100 yards as a backup to Ridley.


Which has almost ZERO significance.

Bowl games are very unnatural. They may be showcase games, but they are often terrible indicators for the future.

Motivations of various players are all over the map. Some teams prepare well, some don't give a shite. Some players step up in December and train hard, and some don't. Some superstar NFL prospects just phone it in, and some coaches let discipline get sloppy.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:32 am to
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As a 5-star, I would assume so.


That's also what most of the LSU fanbase on TD is thinking.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 6/12/11 at 12:35 am to
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get on this bandwagon, dog. it's not too late


I think a lot of folks were fighting it because they root for the hometown kid(Mike Ford). Don't get me wrong, Ford is a beast but he had some growing pains in the mental department. There had been write-ups that say he was running timid and didn't know all of his blocking assignments. I haven't heard anything but positives on Spencer Ware. Most of those people have really warmed up to Ware by now.
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