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re: how can everyone blame the Q B?
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:15 pm to Elleshoe
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:15 pm to Elleshoe
Look I am a big fan of JJ but 99% of our problem start witht he QB. He has to find the open man and get rid of the ball.
This ain't highschool he can't set back there all day and hold on to the ball he has 3 or 4 seconds to get rid of the ball. It's asking a lot of your Oline to hold off the defense longer than that.
This ain't highschool he can't set back there all day and hold on to the ball he has 3 or 4 seconds to get rid of the ball. It's asking a lot of your Oline to hold off the defense longer than that.
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Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:16 pm to cyogi
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But it's not working. I would think the coaches would catch on and try to diversify the play calling from time-to-time.... "fake out" the defense.
You mean like throwing screens, etc? He can't execute a screen to save his life.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:17 pm to LSU82BILL
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Getting outside the pocket and throwing the ball away is better than taking a sack. When Jefferson makes the pitch BEFORE making the defender whose job is to force the pitch commits, he's not running the play correctly. And I don't know, how about mixing in play where you keep the tight end in or maybe both backs to block once in a while? Do you need to go back and take Remedial Football 101 all over again?
First, Jefferson gets outside the pocket a lot and has thrown many passes away. In fact, some have criticized him for NOT staying in the pocket and causing the problems himself. So which one is it...in the pocket or out of the pocket? I agree the option is not being run correctly but the MAIN problem is not the timing of the pitch but the QB and the RB are too close together which allows one man to take both. As far as keeping in extra blockers, I have seen LSU do that. Perhaps, you might want to see an optometrist because they have tried that.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:17 pm to Tomm
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So, I guess you count him running for his life as a "drop"?
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Just look at the last sack at around the 2:45 mark here.
He has 3 full seconds where he stood still, and had he moved to the left sooner, he would have bought another second.
And there were other sacks where he probably had MORE time.
The Oline isn't playing well at all, but most of these sacks are on JJ, not the Oline.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:18 pm to cyogi
The O line is the worst that I've ever seen at LSU. It was horrible last year and no changes to improve it. This is a personnel and coaching issue. JJ could execute better and for God sake stop running the option. Our center is coming off an ACl and he is probably one of our better linemen. This team is in big trouble.
Miles and Crowton are failing at their jobs to allow this to continue.
Miles and Crowton are failing at their jobs to allow this to continue.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:18 pm to offshoretrash
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but 99% of our problem start witht he QB.
Yeah i guess JJ is part of the reason the O line can't provide a consistent rushing threat. and the center being pushed 5 yards into the backfield on a 3rd and goal play.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:19 pm to bmy
Screens are not done ad hoc. The reason LSU doesn't throw screens is that "the wizard" isn't calling screens. Once again, you place the blame on someone who doesn't even call the plays.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:21 pm to Tomm
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but the MAIN problem is not the timing of the pitch but the QB and the RB are too close together which allows one man to take both.
the main problem is he is not an option qb and they need to quit running the play.
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In fact, some have criticized him for NOT staying in the pocket and causing the problems himself.
the criticism is with him not understanding the pocket.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:21 pm to Tomm
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And the problem on the option is not Jefferson....because when a guy isn't running that play well, you know what...you ditch the play.
Jefferson takes a horrible angle when running the option. Instead of having space between him and the RB he is so close that one guy can tackle him and the RB. Thats why our option never works and Ive never understood it. Its one of the first plays you learn in the 5th grade!
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:22 pm to shel311
About 70% of the sacks are the OL's fault. The other 30% are due to Jefferson holding the ball too long or actually running into a pass rusher.
Once again, the main problem is the OL which is proven by the fact that they don't run block very well either.
Once again, the main problem is the OL which is proven by the fact that they don't run block very well either.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:24 pm to Tomm
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About 70% of the sacks are the OL's fault. The other 30% are due to Jefferson holding the ball too long or actually running into a pass rusher.
Over the past 2 games, the 11 sacks, 70/30 sounds about right, but 70% are JJ's fault, no doubt in my mind about that.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:25 pm to stephendomalley
Yea! The o-line is terrible this year! JJ has to run or take a sack.He still need some work but I think he's managing the game as best as he can.Without the run game they are easy to defend and that goes back to the o-line.The running backs have nowhere to run but into the pile of defenders.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:26 pm to JOHNN
Agree but the option play is not mandatory. Flynn ran the option just as poorly because he was not fast enough and waited too long to make a decision...Jefferson also does that.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:26 pm to ready4something
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Yeah i guess JJ is part of the reason the O line can't provide a consistent rushing threat. and the center being pushed 5 yards into the backfield on a 3rd and goal play.
Not having a threat at QB is one of the reasons we can't run. But you are right the line isn't doing a very good job of run blocking.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:28 pm to shel311
There is no doubt in my mind and you have the responsibilities for failures flipped. I have seen too many guys come through unblocked including one last night when Ciron Black did an ole block and the guy went right around him like his feet were in cement.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:31 pm to offshoretrash
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Not having a threat at QB is one of the reasons we can't run.
Not a main one. When you have a potential inside/outside running game that is plenty with a good OL. Many, many teams have QBs starting that are hardly division 1-A caliber. Even Snead at Ole Miss this year is stinking it up. Garcia at S. Carolina...Miss State runs fine with poor passers. How about A. Dixon there/ That is not the main problem...the main problem why LSU can't run is the OL.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:32 pm to Tomm
But Tom if you can't pass the ball the defense can pin it's ears back and come at you. If we were throwing it for 300 a game I bet Scott would be having his best year yet.
We need to be able to throw it down the field to get the defense off the line. Last year atleast JL could throw down the field and the defenses had to respect that.
We need to be able to throw it down the field to get the defense off the line. Last year atleast JL could throw down the field and the defenses had to respect that.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 6:43 pm to Tomm
Tomm you finally said something that makes sense and I agree that our QB "is hardly Div 1-A caliber and "the O-line is the reason we can't run the ball"
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