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re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag

Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:43 am to
Posted by 62zip
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:43 am to
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Shifts and False Starts
ARTICLE 4. a. If a snap is preceded by a huddle or shift, all players of the
offensive team must come to an absolute stop and remain stationary in their
positions, without movement of the feet, body, head or arms, for at least one
full second before the ball is snapped (A.R. 7-1-4-I) [S20].
b. It is not intended that Rule 7-1-4-a should prohibit smooth, rhythmical
shifts if properly executed. A smooth cadence shift or unhurried motion
is not an infraction. However, it is the responsibility of an offensive
player who moves before the snap to do so in a manner that in no way
simulates the beginning of a play. After the ball is ready for play and
all players are in scrimmage formation, no offensive player shall make
a quick, jerky movement before the snap, including but not limited to
(A.R. 7-1-4-II-IV):
1. A lineman moving his foot, shoulder, arm, body or head in a quick,
jerky motion in any direction [S19].
2. The snapper shifting or moving the ball or moving his thumb or
fingers, flexing his elbows, jerking his head, or dipping his shoulders
or buttocks [S19].
3. The quarterback “chucking’’ his hands at the snapper, flexing his
elbows under the snapper, jerking his head or dropping his shoulders
quickly just before the snap [S19].
4. A player, before the snap, simulating receiving the ball by “chucking’’
his hands toward the snapper or quarterback or making any quick,
jerky movement that simulates the beginning of a play [S19].


You do know that that reference to a shift has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed here, right?

I know you didn't bold anything in "b" but you might be well served by taking a look there as well.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:44 am to
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I'm confused - you just posted about when you talk to a coach in your pregame conference, but you don't call football? I'm not following.


I've taken and passed the test. I have also passed the test in Basketball and Volleyball.
quote:

Where did you take the NFHS football test?

Makeup at the LHSAA office a few years ago. Rules clinic was at Catholic BR.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:45 am to
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So, if it was "bought" then why wasn't LSU flagged in the thrid quarter for offside when the snapper got blown up? I'm not sure I follow.


Golfer, bumping Zip's question. I want to make sure you have an opportunity to answer it.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:46 am to
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You do know that that reference to a shift has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed here, right?


We are talking about the snapper making a movement. Which is discussed in this section of the rulebook.
quote:

I know you didn't bold anything in "b" but you might be well served by taking a look there as well.


I know, I've read it multiple times. Which is why I said they used the exception to the cadence to their advantage.
Posted by WushuTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
7641 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:46 am to
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I've forgotten more about the rules than you'll ever learn.

That's the dumbest cliche ever. What if he has learned 30% and you have forgotten 40%? That could mean you know anywhere from 0% (more likely) to 60% (nigh impossible).

My money is on golfer. He is showing evidence, you are talking out of your arse, as usual.
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:46 am to
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Makeup at the LHSAA office a few years ago. Rules clinic was at Catholic BR.


So you took the makeup test, but you don't call football? That's odd. Did you ever? You must have registered to take the test, huh?

You do know that LHSAA doesn't use the NFHS test for football, right?

What did you score?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:46 am to
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Golfer, bumping Zip's question. I want to make sure you have an opportunity to answer it.


I already answered it.
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:47 am to
quote:

We are talking about the snapper making a movement. Which is discussed in this section of the rulebook.


So, you're telling me that a snapper, with his hand on the ball is making a shift? That's what that section references, you know that right?
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:50 am to
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Golfer, bumping Zip's question. I want to make sure you have an opportunity to answer it.


Apparently, it was illegal because Miles bitched.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:50 am to
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So you took the makeup test, but you don't call football? That's odd. Did you ever?


Yes, I intended to officiate. I simply did not have enough time.
quote:

What did you score?


Honestly I don't remember. I want to say 85ish.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:51 am to
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That's what that section references, you know that right?



Shifts AND False Starts...
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:51 am to
quote:

That's the dumbest cliche ever. What if he has learned 30% and you have forgotten 40%? That could mean you know anywhere from 0% (more likely) to 60% (nigh impossible).


If I've forgotten 90%, I know more than that fool
quote:

My money is on golfer. He is showing evidence, you are talking out of your arse, as usual.


Not surprised you would make a losing bet.
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:51 am to
quote:

That's the dumbest cliche ever. What if he has learned 30% and you have forgotten 40%? That could mean you know anywhere from 0% (more likely) to 60% (nigh impossible).

My money is on golfer. He is showing evidence, you are talking out of your arse, as usual.


I would be willing to proctor a test taken by the two of them and we could determine who knows what. Lemme know.
Posted by WushuTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
7641 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:51 am to
I don't see how you guys are claiming that the text of that article is only referring to shifts.
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:52 am to
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Shifts AND False Starts...


I'll try again - are you telling me that a snapper, with his hand on the ball is making a shift?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:52 am to
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Apparently, it was illegal because Miles bitched.


Reason #1 why I stopped officiating basketball. Officials who thought they were never wrong and made no mistakes...
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:53 am to
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I don't see how you guys are claiming that the text of that article is only referring to shifts.


It mentions shifts and flase starts, but he is combining elements of each to make up some sort of hybrid rule.
Posted by WushuTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
7641 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:53 am to
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I'll try again - are you telling me that a snapper, with his hand on the ball is making a shift?

Nobody is saying that. The paragraph covers false starts as well as shifts and spells out scenarios that constitute false starts.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:54 am to
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I don't see how you guys are claiming that the text of that article is only referring to shifts.


There's a nice AND located in between the two words which means the section covers:

- Any offensive shifting
- Any false start
Posted by WushuTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
7641 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:54 am to
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2. The snapper shifting or moving the ball or moving his thumb or fingers, flexing his elbows, jerking his head, or dipping his shoulders or buttocks [S19].

Does the text say that this is a false start or not, by your interpretation, yes or no?
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