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Posted on 10/11/09 at 8:41 pm to craignettles
Yes if you will notice when the second half starts the LSU tackle pops the center and the call was made. Give Chavis credit but he should have told one of the guys to pop him after the first time that it happened. The officials have no excuse. Those plays and the missed call on offensive pass interference were turning points in the game.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:05 pm to Golfer
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I didn't see much a delay...
I'm sorry you can't see the obvious. When he looked left the tackle didn't move.
AFTER he looked, the tackle jumped because he was trying to time the snap. If you watch the game video you can see the center had the same cadence to his look...and then the snap. It's a silent cadence and nothing new to the game.
This post was edited on 10/11/09 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:18 pm to arrakis
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The center is doing the same head look he does on every play and it has nothing to do with the foul.
The center looks left at 0:09 and then snaps at 0:10, that isn't a "delay"
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:21 pm to arrakis
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On each play he looked left, delayed, and then snapped the ball.
He didn't delay, has to be a full second iirc and it was not.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:23 pm to WushuTiger
Exactly.
Here's some screen shots, looking right:
Then looking left:
Then the snap in the same motion...notice 0:09 still on the clock
The move at 0:07 is perfectly legal, however, the look to the left JUST before snapping, is not. Funny how the DB is looking right at the center, then jumps when he moves his head to the left to simulate the snap.
Here's some screen shots, looking right:
Then looking left:
Then the snap in the same motion...notice 0:09 still on the clock
The move at 0:07 is perfectly legal, however, the look to the left JUST before snapping, is not. Funny how the DB is looking right at the center, then jumps when he moves his head to the left to simulate the snap.
This post was edited on 10/11/09 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:31 pm to WushuTiger
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He didn't delay, has to be a full second iirc and it was not.
That's hilarious.
A 1 second delay is required for a SHIFT.
As long as the center's mov't does not simulate the start of a play, it is not a foul. To LSU's credit for gamesmanship, they came out in the 2nd half with the intent to jump as soon as he moved his head to see if they could draw a FS. All FL did was change the silent cadence. Meyer covered all this during his pregame meeting with the officials.
From what I've seen so far, it's nothing more than whiny LSU fans trying to invent an issue.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:33 pm to Golfer
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The move at 0:07 is perfectly legal, however, the look to the left JUST before snapping, is not.
Please post the NCAA rule that substantiates your claim.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:33 pm to craignettles
quote:My question is why in the hell hadn't Miles/Chavis coached these guys to do this anyway?
They talked at the half and Chevis told Alexander to cream him immediately and point to the center.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:43 pm to arrakis
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The move at 0:07 is perfectly legal, however, the look to the left JUST before snapping, is not.
Please post the NCAA rule that substantiates your claim.
OK...
After the ball is ready for play and all players are in scrimmage formation, no offensive player shall make a quick, jerky movement before the snap, including but not limited to (A.R. 7-1-4-II-IV):
1. A lineman moving his foot, shoulder, arm, body or head in a quick, jerky motion in any direction [S19].
2. The snapper shifting or moving the ball or moving his thumb or fingers, flexing his elbows, jerking his head, or dipping his shoulders or buttocks [S19].
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:43 pm to arrakis
Terd found the further ruling before I could get to that one... 
This post was edited on 10/11/09 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:47 pm to Golfer
I try to just lurk but when someone is arguing about shite and they have no clue... I already knew the rule but went and looked it up for exact wording.
If you don't have a clue about what you are talking about then maybe you should STFU and look into it before you go running your mouth.
If you don't have a clue about what you are talking about then maybe you should STFU and look into it before you go running your mouth.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:49 pm to terd ferguson
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If you don't have a clue about what you are talking about then maybe you should STFU and look into it before you go running your mouth.
Huh? I knew what the rule was...
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:50 pm to terd ferguson
Just like on the Poli board, he just got pwnd and won't be back.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:51 pm to Golfer
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Huh? I knew what the rule was...
Not you... arrakis
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:52 pm to terd ferguson
Ah, my bad...you replied to me...
Yea, he won't be back...
The head bob with the snap was garbage...even if Meyer talked with the officials about it before the game. It still has to be legal...
Yea, he won't be back...
The head bob with the snap was garbage...even if Meyer talked with the officials about it before the game. It still has to be legal...
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:53 pm to lovinLSU
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the officials were keened in on the offsides more than the offensive pass interference for sure...
all I could think about during that drive was Denzel in "Remember the Titans" telling the ref repeatedly..."He's lined up offsides!!!"
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:58 pm to Golfer
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(b) A shift or movement that simulates the beginning of a play.
This includes the snapper who, after assuming a position for the succeeding snap and touching or simulating (hand[s] at or below his knees) touching the ball, moves to another position.
Using what you've posted:
Did the snapper move to a new position after addressing the ball? Even you have to agree he didn't do that, so, let's move on.
What movement by the snapper simulated the beginning of a play?
Snappers move their feet at the snap....did he move them prematurely?
Snappers move their arms at the snap....did he move them prematurely?
Snappers move their heads up at the snap....did he move his head upward prematurely?
All are movements common to the position at the beginning of a play. A look to the left is not. A look to the right is not.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 9:59 pm to terd ferguson
arrakis will argue with anybody on CFB ruling... There was huge thread at the beginning of the season where he was doing the same BS.... Its his MO
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