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re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:25 am to PacLSU
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:25 am to PacLSU
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You do realize that your red line (that barely touches the left tackle's helmet) is no where near parallel with the blue line of scrimmage, right?
What does the blue line have to do with anything?
And yeah, you're right - if a coach talks to "the refs" he's going to get all the calls.
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Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:17 am to 62zip
quote:The blue line provides a straight line across the field that is parallel to the yard lines thus creating a suitable basis for creating another line across the center's waist that will clearly indicate whether or not the left tackle is considered in the back field.
What does the blue line have to do with anything?
I'm no official or anything but I'm pretty sure the angle of the line of scrimmage does not change and is always parallel to the goal line. I can look it up in the rule book if I need to, though.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:19 am to tiger91
how come it took our coaches 2 qts to finally jam the center in the face to make the throw the flag!? the writing has been on the wall!
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:28 am to PacLSU
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The blue line provides a straight line across the field that is parallel to the yard lines thus creating a suitable basis for creating another line across the center's waist that will clearly indicate whether or not the left tackle is considered in the back field.
I'm no official or anything but I'm pretty sure the angle of the line of scrimmage does not change and is always parallel to the goal line. I can look it up in the rule book if I need to, though.
I'm amazed at the lengths that people will go in an attempt to "prove" some sort of perceived error.
Are we operating on the assumption that the snapper's waist is perfectly parallel to the blue line? Are we assuming tha the blue line is perfectly parallel to the LOS?
Get over it - you aren't going to get a flag for an illegal formation when the LT is in the position in that pic.
Oh, and the LT is nowhere near "in the backfield." Close to no-man's land, sure - the backfield, not even close.
This reminds me of the clowns that wanted a flag for ineligibles downfield on the "jump pass" play.
Maybe they could make the snapper wear some sort of apparatus that extends down the LOS from his waist and then we would never have to have a conversation like this again.
The pic does an excellent job of showing a defender in the NZ though.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:54 am to 62zip
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Are we operating on the assumption that the snapper's waist is perfectly parallel to the blue line?
Well I guess I didn't realize it mattered. See, I thought that the line the offensive line had to line up on was a line going from the center's waist that ran parallel to the LOS. I didn't realize the if the center would just twist his waist a little the offensive line could line up off of that new, non-parallel line.
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Are we assuming tha the blue line is perfectly parallel to the LOS?
Yeah, we are. And there is ample evidence indicating that. You see, we make another assumption that the big white line just to the defensive side of the blue line is painted parallel to the goal line. And since it is quite evident from the visual evidence provided that the blue line runs parallel to the white line, then we can assume that the blue line is parallel to the LOS which must be parallel to the goal line.
This is why I don't like discussing Geometry with football officials. It's like... well it's like going to Spain and asking some guy how a Spanish book should be read.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 12:13 pm to PacLSU
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Well I guess I didn't realize it mattered. See, I thought that the line the offensive line had to line up on was a line going from the center's waist that ran parallel to the LOS. I didn't realize the if the center would just twist his waist a little the offensive line could line up off of that new, non-parallel line.
Yep, they need to break the plane of a line drawn through the snapper's waist - again, how do we know that his waist is perfectly parallel? If it's his waist in question then logically they would be lined up off of it all the time. Of course I've never seen a protractor on a football field either, maybe that's part of the problem.
Anyhow, the nit-picky whining is why it's a waste of time to talk to fan-boys.
The bottom line is that there is noting in that picture to indicate that that formation is illegal. You are entitled to believe otherwise though.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:16 pm to 62zip
You two refs have proved to me that most referees are blind, intentionally cheating or incompetent. I sit in Sec 304 on East Side, 30 yd line toward the South endzone about 2/3 up (great seats). I saw the UF receiver pull our CB's jersey on their TD. I could see UF LT lining up in the backfield most of the game. I observed the UF center lift the ball and move it six inches forward prior to the snap on several plays. I have officiated sporting events before, not including football, and realize how one's judgement and discretion makes a diffence in the outcome of a game or race, etc. The officials whom you are defending for their performance in this game are either blind or were purposely favoring UF in this game, or incompetent. Could it be that they laid the points on this game?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:24 pm to Choupique19
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I just watched Tebow scramble, and one of their lineman had one hand on the 9 in front of the jersey and the other hand on the 7 in the back of the jersey and pushed our d-lineman past Tebow as he ran away. How is that not holding or a block in the back?
That happened right in front of us and I was livid! And the ref was standing right fricking there! Horribly officiated game.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:34 am to POBIII
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You two refs have proved to me that most referees are blind, intentionally cheating or incompetent. I sit in Sec 304 on East Side, 30 yd line toward the South endzone about 2/3 up (great seats). I saw the UF receiver pull our CB's jersey on their TD. I could see UF LT lining up in the backfield most of the game. I observed the UF center lift the ball and move it six inches forward prior to the snap on several plays. I have officiated sporting events before, not including football, and realize how one's judgement and discretion makes a diffence in the outcome of a game or race, etc. The officials whom you are defending for their performance in this game are either blind or were purposely favoring UF in this game, or incompetent. Could it be that they laid the points on this game?
You're right, they were cheating for Florida.
The sad thing is, you probably really believe that.
Those must be great seats though if they allow you a look straight down the LOS every play.
BTW, who was it that you expected to make the call on the jersey tug?
Also, what have you called? Did you cheat?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:48 am to 62zip
I'm hoping that both of these clowns get rolled by a HS player while there noses are stuck so far up in the air....
The entitlement that you two exude and communicate is just sad.....
And it pretty obvious that there is some resentment towards LSU fans in general.....just hope your asses stay at the HS level.
The entitlement that you two exude and communicate is just sad.....
And it pretty obvious that there is some resentment towards LSU fans in general.....just hope your asses stay at the HS level.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:54 am to LSUBlake8
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I'm hoping that both of these clowns get rolled by a HS player while there noses are stuck so far up in the air....
Been there and done that.
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The entitlement that you two exude and communicate is just sad.....
Entitlement? I don't get it.
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And it pretty obvious that there is some resentment towards LSU fans in general.....just hope your asses stay at the HS level.
Resentment toward LSU fans in general? No, just the idiots who think they can call a game from great seats.
Just like many other things, there are those who have to balls to do it and those who can do no more than piss and moan.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:57 am to 62zip
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Resentment toward LSU fans in general? No, just the idiots who think they can call a game from great seats.
Just like many other things, there are those who have to balls to do it and those who can do no more than piss and moan.
You equate pissing and moaning w/ people, in this thread, that REALLY wanted explanation. But most of the answers by you two were like....we are just to stupid to get it.....hence, the entitlement comment.
It's not WHAT you're saying that's the problem....it's HOW you're saying it.
And for the record, UF beat us.....LSU had a chance to win the game....O was horrible..and a few calls didn't decide this game.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:59 am to 62zip
Incompetent officials bother me. Sometimes officials should use common sense (celbration flags at UGA) and let the players decide the game. It always bothers me when a team is facing a 3rd and 20, they throw a 6 yard pass, and the ref wants to throw a ticky-tac pass interference call giving the offense a first down, or they throw a deep hail mary type pass and just beg for the interference call. Refs have to be aware of this, and force the players to make plays and not count on the refs.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:01 am to LSUBlake8
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You equate pissing and moaning w/ people, in this thread, that REALLY wanted explanation. But most of the answers by you two were like....we are just to stupid to get it.....hence, the entitlement comment.
Explanation of what? Why the center eventually got flagged for a false start? It's been given several times in this thread. Read back through it.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:04 am to Choupique19
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Incompetent officials bother me. Sometimes officials should use common sense (celbration flags at UGA) and let the players decide the game. It always bothers me when a team is facing a 3rd and 20, they throw a 6 yard pass, and the ref wants to throw a ticky-tac pass interference call giving the offense a first down, or they throw a deep hail mary type pass and just beg for the interference call. Refs have to be aware of this, and force the players to make plays and not count on the refs.
You're right, "refs" have no awareness of game situations.
As far as pass intereference is concerned - it is or it isn't, but do you rally think a guy is gonna think to himself "Hmmm, I know it's pass interference on this 6 yard pass, but since it's 3rd and 20, I'm not going to flag it since it will result in a first down." Seriously?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:21 am to PacLSU
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You do realize that your red line (that barely touches the left tackle's helmet) is no where near parallel with the blue line of scrimmage, right?
What you don't realize is I used the yard marker and then moved it back. If you've got a bitch, speak to LSU's maint. dept.
Dumbass, no field is perfect and no line is perfectly straight. You do realize the blue line doesn't really exist.....probably not.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:24 am to PacLSU
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This is why I don't like discussing Geometry with football officials. It's like... well it's like going to Spain and asking some guy how a Spanish book should be read.
...and you are a prime example why I don't like discussing rules and how to officiate with clueless asshat fans.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:26 am to arrakis
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What you don't realize is I used the yard marker and then moved it back. If you've got a bitch, speak to LSU's maint. dept.
Dumbass, no field is perfect and no line is perfectly straight. You do realize the blue line doesn't really exist.....probably not.
I think there are lots of people who don't realize that the yellow line isn't visible on the field.
I know you've heard it too - "Look at that SOB, the way he just went ahead and put his foot right on the first down line."
Which reminds me - I absolutely love the whole "left foot/right foot spot" discuassion every time it comes up.
But anyhow, the bottom line is, some guy with great seats has a much better view down the LOS than the H does. You know that.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:29 am to PacLSU
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UM talked to the refs before the game and there was no call. LM talked to the refs during the game and there was a call.
Has absolutely nothing to do with what UM or LM says...the action on the field dictate the call.
Queue the "talked him into it" and "makeup call" fools in 3...2...1
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:35 am to LSUBlake8
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....just hope your asses stay at the HS level.
Ooops...you're too late with your wish.
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