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re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag
Posted on 10/12/09 at 3:40 pm to RANDY44
Posted on 10/12/09 at 3:40 pm to RANDY44
I am not whining. UF was a better football team than LSU and the issue about lining up in the neutral zone had nothing to do about our lack of offense. I am trying to clarify what the rule is regarding having O Lineman lining up in the backfield. It was not called at all in this game, but a couple of years ago, LSU was constantly flagged for illegal formation for not having enough folks on the line. This year they are calling it too many lined up in the backfield, which is what I think should have been called against UF. Again, that did not cost us the game, but they appeared to have gotten away with it. Also, it may have had something to do with our lining up in the neutral zone, especially Alem.
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 3:42 pm to Choupique19
The refs knew it was happening. They were waiting for LSU to call them on it. If I remember correctly, he never turned his head again.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 3:48 pm to POBIII
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I am trying to clarify what the rule is regarding having O Lineman lining up in the backfield.
Lineman....face his opponents GL, shoulders parallel to the GL, and his head has to break the vertical plane through the waist of the snapper.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 3:51 pm to Mindenfan
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The refs knew it was happening.
You betcha. During the pregame coach's conference Meyer covered it in detail. In the 3rd qtr, FL simply went to it's backup signal.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 3:58 pm to arrakis
Thanks for the clarification. I can now state unequivocally that UF used an illegal formation for most of the game because the LT and sometimes the LG were clearly lined up in the backfield. Too bad it wasn't called, because Alem may have been able to harrass or sack Tebow, which could have made the game closer. I still think UF is a better team right now, but we still have six games to prove we deserve to win the West and earn a rematch in Atlanta.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:01 pm to POBIII
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Thanks for the clarification. I can now state unequivocally that UF used an illegal formation for most of the game because the LT and sometimes the LG were clearly lined up in the backfield. Too bad it wasn't called, because Alem may have been able to harrass or sack Tebow, which could have made the game closer. I still think UF is a better team right now, but we still have six games to prove we deserve to win the West and earn a rematch in Atlanta
Unequivocally?
You were standing on the LOS all game determining whether or not the LG and/or LT were breaking a line through the waist of the snapper?
You're pretty good.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:02 pm to POBIII
If you are talking about the posted screenshot, you would be incorrect. He's legal
Note the red line from his head to the waist of the center.
Note the red line from his head to the waist of the center.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:05 pm to arrakis
Left tackle is not legal based on your explanation of his helmet having to be breaking the waistline of snapper. LG is close, but would agree that he is okay.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:08 pm to POBIII
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Left tackle is not legal based on your explanation of his helmet having to be breaking the waistline of snapper. LG is close, but would agree that he is okay.
The LG is close? The line is behind his helmet. If the tackle is that close (and it appears that his helmet does indeed break the plane of that line - and that line is also not straight on) you aren't going to see an illegal formation flag.
I'm amazed at the straws that people want to grasp at.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:11 pm to 62zip
you are obviously visually challenged.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:13 pm to mrbayoublu
quote:The Tepper philosophy exactly, only his disaster was on defense.
Offense is not geared for the players; the players must adjust and of course, this is disastrous.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:13 pm to POBIII
Refs taking up for other refs is all I see in this thread.
No ref can ever admit to a bad call or bad game and they will take up for each other till they are blue in the face. FACT.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:13 pm to POBIII
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you are obviously visually challenged.
Yeah, that's it.
Take off your purple glasses and take another look at that pic.
If you think you're gonna get an illegal formation flag for that formation, well, you're insane.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:14 pm to 62zip
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If the tackle is that close (and it appears that his helmet does indeed break the plane of that line - and that line is also not straight on) you aren't going to see an illegal formation flag.
I'm amazed at the straws that people want to grasp at.
Ain't it the truth! Never seen so many whiny desperate fans in my life.
The tackle is legal....get over it
Zip, they were so busy complaining something you said went right over their heads.
The center's head move was exactly the same on every play.
He snapped the ball at the same point on every play. (I'm sure Meyer told him to do that to deter a FS).
LSU knew or should have known when the snap would occur on every play....but they didn't take advantage of it.
Like you said: Advantage Defense
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:17 pm to 62zip
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Yeah, that's it.
Take off your purple glasses and take another look at that pic.
If you think you're gonna get an illegal formation flag for that formation, well, you're insane.
insane and clueless
...and they wonder why we don't answer their questions.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:17 pm to arrakis
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Like you said: Advantage Defense
That's what I don't get.
Why blow him up and shut it down?
It's like being in their huddle and getting the snap count every time. What defense wouldn't want that?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:19 pm to arrakis
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insane and clueless
...and they wonder why we don't answer their questions.
I'm thinking the best thing to do regarding fans is to pretend they are coaches.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:19 pm to 62zip
That is very close, and it is a judgment call.
I do know that he NFL has cracked down on tackles lining up in the backfield because they gain a clear advantage on the defensive end in pass blocking.
I was at the game, so I did not see it, but were the "lining up in the neutral" zone close, or were we way offsides?
I do know that he NFL has cracked down on tackles lining up in the backfield because they gain a clear advantage on the defensive end in pass blocking.
I was at the game, so I did not see it, but were the "lining up in the neutral" zone close, or were we way offsides?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:22 pm to tigercavor
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That is very close, and it is a judgment call.
I do know that he NFL has cracked down on tackles lining up in the backfield because they gain a clear advantage on the defensive end in pass blocking.
I was at the game, so I did not see it, but were the "lining up in the neutral" zone close, or were we way offsides?
Of course it is - most things are judgment calls - but if an NCAA official is dropping flags on formations like the one in that picture, his spervisor is not going to be too terribly pleased with him.
Alem is a master at lining up in the neutral zone (This game and others), well when he isn't busy doing jumping jacks for the crowd.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:22 pm to arrakis
If it is legal for UF, I hope that LSU coaches realign Ciron Black so he can get a better advantage on his defender cause in the game he had his butt handed to him by UF's DE.
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