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Here’s the deal with LSU Baseball and Injuries
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:06 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:06 am
We are not overworking pitchers, it’s not the coach, it’s not the strength and conditioning. Let’s get all that out the way now.
The real reason that LSU (and other schools) are starting seeing a rise in injuries is because of the awareness and education that we now have.
We are now able to educate pitchers on what is pain vs what is sore. We are able to be more cautious and front end attack serious arm injuries before they occur (TJ aside).
New and recent Strength and Conditioning programs have helped pitchers throw harder which puts added stress on the muscles and tendons which leads to more soreness.
However some players still won’t communicate the exact feelings they have in their arms because they don’t want to get shut down because schools have become more cautious over the recent years.
TLDR: Rise In Injuries = Rise In awareness and Programs using Caution/Preventative measures
The real reason that LSU (and other schools) are starting seeing a rise in injuries is because of the awareness and education that we now have.
We are now able to educate pitchers on what is pain vs what is sore. We are able to be more cautious and front end attack serious arm injuries before they occur (TJ aside).
New and recent Strength and Conditioning programs have helped pitchers throw harder which puts added stress on the muscles and tendons which leads to more soreness.
However some players still won’t communicate the exact feelings they have in their arms because they don’t want to get shut down because schools have become more cautious over the recent years.
TLDR: Rise In Injuries = Rise In awareness and Programs using Caution/Preventative measures
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:11 am to 225Tyga
I can go with this - it’s also the mlb approach - maybe we won’t lose as many top recruits to mlb.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:12 am to 225Tyga
That is a good start on the list of reasons we're seeing more issues. But it's not comprehensive. I don't mean that as a slight. A lot of people bring up valid points and say it's THE issue. But the reason there is no silver bullet to fix everything is because there isn't one single cause of everything.
And people are constantly learning.
ETA:
On this, I wouldn't say it's necessarily that the kids don't want to fully communicate what they're feeling (though I'm sure that happens too). But most often I would say it's that they don't know how to fully communicate it.
And people are constantly learning.
ETA:
quote:
However some players still won’t communicate the exact feelings they have in their arms because they don’t want to get shut down because schools have become more cautious over the recent years.
On this, I wouldn't say it's necessarily that the kids don't want to fully communicate what they're feeling (though I'm sure that happens too). But most often I would say it's that they don't know how to fully communicate it.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:13 am to 225Tyga
List the SEC schools that have as much arm injuries to pitchers as LSU does, I don’t doubt there are some but not to the extent as LSU.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:13 am to 225Tyga
In your opinion, does this rise in injury have anything to do with the kids throwing way more now at younger ages (travel ball, select ball, etc) than we use to? Basically more mileage by the time they reach college.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:14 am to 225Tyga
Are you in the profession? Just curious as you used “we” a lot.
I’ve never thought about that aspect of the injures. I appreciate the different take on it
I’ve never thought about that aspect of the injures. I appreciate the different take on it
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:15 am to gumbeaux
quote:list all the previous years we have this issue. Also list the pitchers that are unavailable due to an injury sustained at LSU.
List the SEC schools that have as much arm injuries to pitchers as LSU does, I don’t doubt there are some but not to the extent as LSU.
Fact is, this is a phenomenon being experienced at all levels of baseball across the country and no one has any answer as to the sole cause or why some players are effected and others aren’t.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:15 am to 225Tyga
You do make some pretty valid points, but we are still dealing with more injuries than any team I have ever seen before.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:16 am to 225Tyga
The nfl is more than ever examining concussions and their knowledge is by far greater than ever... and last year the drop in concussions was exponential.
So your argument about college baseball becoming more knowledgeable equaling more injuries... is invalid
So your argument about college baseball becoming more knowledgeable equaling more injuries... is invalid
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:18 am to deaux
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list all the previous years we have this issue.
so you believe this year is bad luck. can you support your opinion with some factual anaylsis proving luck to be real.
TIA
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:20 am to TheTexasTiger7
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You do make some pretty valid points, but we are still dealing with more injuries than any team I have ever seen before.
More than any LSU team. Other teams have had similar issues in the past, even the very recent past.
Which makes you wonder if the pitching, S&C, and head coaches are all the same, what's different about this season?
Obviously the players are different every season.
But we have a larger roster of pitchers this season than we normally have since the advent of the 35 man limit. Combine that with the late season injury to Walker two years ago, and Hilliard's issue last season, and the staff feels like they should be more cautious and can because the roster allows it.
Additionally, we know more about the injuries because we follow LSU more closely. And we have more media reporting on LSU than pretty much any other school.
If Alabama had 12 guys out with Tommy John, the news wouldn't leave their building, because no one there cares.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:21 am to PenguinPubes
quote:because they took steps to prevent concussions going forward.
The nfl is more than ever examining concussions and their knowledge is by far greater than ever... and last year the drop in concussions was exponential.
Seems to me that we’re doing something similar by sitting pitchers as a precaution with a “sore arm” even when an MRI shows no damage.
We know what causes concussions and thus we can get out in front of them. We don’t know what’s causing the arm issues and that makes it tough to come up with a preventative solution.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:26 am to PenguinPubes
quote:
he nfl is more than ever examining concussions and their knowledge is by far greater than ever... and last year the drop in concussions was exponential.
So your argument about college baseball becoming more knowledgeable equaling more injuries... is invalid
That's not really accurate. There was a ramp up in concussion diagnoses in recent years due to the advancements in the science around brain injuries. After that ramp up there was a dropoff.
For your supposition to be correct, the science on both issues would have had to advance at the same exact rate. Clearly, we know that hasn't happened.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 9:28 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:27 am to PenguinPubes
I'd say it is what Theriot said once.
It's all because of little league and high school ball.
Kids are specializing too early. They will say you are a pitcher and focus only on pitching and trowing curve balls WAY too early. Different positions require different throwing motions, working out the whole arm.
I mean, Todd Peterson admitted he hadn't picked up a bat since Junior year or something.
On AFR yesterday, Cartwright admitted to throwing 150 pitches a game then throwing again in a few days with no arm work.
That is why LSU is going through this now and why we have these unicorns that come in and never really pitch.
But rantards think it's the coaches... Ok...
It's all because of little league and high school ball.
Kids are specializing too early. They will say you are a pitcher and focus only on pitching and trowing curve balls WAY too early. Different positions require different throwing motions, working out the whole arm.
I mean, Todd Peterson admitted he hadn't picked up a bat since Junior year or something.
On AFR yesterday, Cartwright admitted to throwing 150 pitches a game then throwing again in a few days with no arm work.
That is why LSU is going through this now and why we have these unicorns that come in and never really pitch.
But rantards think it's the coaches... Ok...
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:28 am to 225Tyga
In the Auburn /Vanderbilt game last night the Auburn starting pitcher went out in the 2nd or 3rd inning last night with arm issues. Ben and whoever else was announcing talk about the rash of pitching inquires in the SEC this year. Didn't hear the entire conversation, maybe someone else can comment.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:29 am to StTiger
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It's all because of little league and high school ball.
do other teams have players that did not play in little league or high school? serious question, i'm trying to be more openminded.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:29 am to BigEdLSU
It’s overlapping probability. Since you dropped out of school you probably don’t know how this works. Let’s say pitchers get injured on average 1 time per 2000 pitches. That is an estimate that gets more accurate the higher your sample size (number of pitches). The law of averages states that sometime in future samples of an event, the ground will be made up on past deviations from an event. The problem is not that the pitchers got injured. That is completely normal. The problem is they all got injured at the same time, which means that probablitliy caught up to people. Luck does not equal probability
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:30 am to PenguinPubes
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So your argument about college baseball becoming more knowledgeable equaling more injuries... is invalid
You are comparing apples to bananas with concussions and arm injuries. Modifying rules of the game and safer equipment are two changes that have an immediate impact on something like concussions. Arm injuries are an entirely different conversation with entirely different causes.....your point invalid.
My completely anecdotal opinion is that freshmen having arm issues is expected and no coach/player wants tommy john their freshmen year. LSU has had to lean on freshmen arms last year and this year so its not shocking that this issue is coming up.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:32 am to Terrific Tales
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It’s overlapping proababliity
quote:
Since you dropped out of school you probably don’t know how this works
quite condescending for someone who spells like that
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:34 am to BigEdLSU
You are right.
Intelligent people never make typos
Intelligent people never make typos
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