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Here's one that bugs me in baseball...
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:39 pm
I know most will not agree, but I do not and never will understand why hitters don't have the green light on 3-0. The pitcher is bearing down to throw a strike and he's not trying to go low or outside. That ball is coming right down the pike.
I'm not saying full swing away - tell batters to swing if they like the pitch but if any question go ahead and take.
But the bat-on-the-shoulder, I won't swing at any pitch approach just lets the pitcher back in. When you have greathitters, I say, give them a cautious green light on 3-0.
I'm not saying full swing away - tell batters to swing if they like the pitch but if any question go ahead and take.
But the bat-on-the-shoulder, I won't swing at any pitch approach just lets the pitcher back in. When you have greathitters, I say, give them a cautious green light on 3-0.
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:41 pm to Buda
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When you have greathitters
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:42 pm to Buda
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But the bat-on-the-shoulder, I won't swing at any pitch approach just lets the pitcher back in. When you have greathitters, I say, give them a cautious green light on 3-0.
Situationally, some managers give a greenlight on a 3-0 pitch, but it is rare - I would suspect no more than 1 out of 8 or 1 out of 10, probably less.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:43 pm to Buda
If they couldn't throw a strike on the first 3, whats to say they get over the 4th one?
The main goal while at the plate is to get on base.
The main goal while at the plate is to get on base.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:44 pm to SouthOfSouth
CPM always gives the 3-0 green light to hitters like Katz Breg and Raph
several times this year i can remember 3-0 ground ball easy outs
several times this year i can remember 3-0 ground ball easy outs
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:44 pm to Buda
For example, Jones' last at bat. He's up 3-0. He puts the bat on his shoulder and the pitcher knows he won't swing, so he throws a meatball - strike! Now it's 3-1. Next pitch is a strike and now it's 3-2 and Jones has to swing at the third pitch (tough pitch to hit) to protect the plate. Why wait and swing at the money pitch when you could've swung at the meatball strike two pitches earlier?
At 3-0, even if the pitcher throws ball 4 and he walks, that doesn't get the runner on second in - and now we have a new batter with a new count. Why not take advatage of the pickle the pitcher put himself in going 3-0 and let the dude swing - he's a major league hitting talent?
Give him the green on the 3-0 pitch!!!!
At 3-0, even if the pitcher throws ball 4 and he walks, that doesn't get the runner on second in - and now we have a new batter with a new count. Why not take advatage of the pickle the pitcher put himself in going 3-0 and let the dude swing - he's a major league hitting talent?
Give him the green on the 3-0 pitch!!!!
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:45 pm to Buda
That is a great strategy if the "great hitter" is guaranteed to not hit an easy out.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:49 pm to Buda
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For example, Jones' last at bat. He's up 3-0. He puts the bat on his shoulder and the pitcher knows he won't swing, so he throws a meatball - strike! Now it's 3-1. Next pitch is a strike and now it's 3-2 and Jones has to swing at the third pitch (tough pitch to hit) to protect the plate. Why wait and swing at the money pitch when you could've swung at the meatball strike two pitches earlier?
At 3-0, even if the pitcher throws ball 4 and he walks, that doesn't get the runner on second in - and now we have a new batter with a new count. Why not take advatage of the pickle the pitcher put himself in going 3-0 and let the dude swing - he's a major league hitting talent?
Give him the green on the 3-0 pitch!!!!
If he would have popped out on that meatball you would create a thread bitching about it.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:49 pm to Buda
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For example, Jones' last at bat. He's up 3-0. He puts the bat on his shoulder and the pitcher knows he won't swing, so he throws a meatball
That wasn't close to a meatball. It was on the outside corner and, like all of his pitches, had significant sink to it.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:52 pm to moneyg
You see a lot more green lights on a 3-1 pitch.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:09 pm to Buda
I think you are probably referring to JJ last night. Luckily he was walked, but I don't get it either, unless the guy has thrown more than 6 straight balls and the game is tight, then yes I would take on 3-0, but otherwise you know he has to throw a strike, so why not swing.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:22 pm to Weaver
Statistically batters have a higher batting average on 1-0, 2-0, and 3-1 counts as opposed to a 3-0 counts. So that's the math, but from my perspective most hitters (definitely some exceptions) just don't have the control in that count to wait for their pitch. Tend to pop up 3-0 counts a lot.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:32 pm to Weaver
Swing on 3-0 gives the opponent a better percentage chance of getting the batter out. Lets wait and see what happens on the 4th or even the 5th pitch is a much better approach as to getting on base safely...
But I don't agree when the batter stands straight up and put his bat on his shoulder to tell the pitcher I'm not swinging. That can't help the situation.. Thats like you playing poker and you tell everyone "I have a full house" everyone drops out and you don't get to cash in a lot more than you should have. It makes no sense.
But I don't agree when the batter stands straight up and put his bat on his shoulder to tell the pitcher I'm not swinging. That can't help the situation.. Thats like you playing poker and you tell everyone "I have a full house" everyone drops out and you don't get to cash in a lot more than you should have. It makes no sense.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:41 pm to Buda
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That ball is coming right down the pike.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:51 pm to Buda
I agree with you, but it used to get me in a lot of trouble when I took a cut on 3-0. Kicker
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:58 pm to cajuntiger26
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Statistically batters have a higher batting average on 1-0, 2-0, and 3-1 counts as opposed to a 3-0 counts.
To look at it from a pure baseball math perspective - you can do nothing on a 3-0 pitch and get on base - and that probably happens a significant percentage of the time. So, why risk popping up, hitting into a double play or whatever, when you can just sit back, take the pitch and get on base, probably 20 to 25 percent of time (whatever the math is). (ETA And you give up nothing in taking a 3-0 strike - you still have at least 2 more pitches to look at, upping the OBP even more from that point.)
I think it is smarter coaching to have the player stand in the box as if he's going to swing away on a 3-0 count, just to keep the pitcher guessing.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:03 pm to Buda
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When you have greathitters, I say, give them a cautious green light on 3-0.
Just curious what you thought about giving Raph the green light on the 2-0 pitch?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:06 pm to Buda
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I know most will not agree, but I do not and never will understand why hitters don't have the green light on 3-0. The pitcher is bearing down to throw a strike and he's not trying to go low or outside. That ball is coming right down the pike.
I'm not saying full swing away - tell batters to swing if they like the pitch but if any question go ahead and take.
But the bat-on-the-shoulder, I won't swing at any pitch approach just lets the pitcher back in. When you have greathitters, I say, give them a cautious green light on 3-0.
Its called playing the percentages. I'd say you have a 30% to 40% percent chance of getting walked if you don't swing no matter what. If you do get a meatball and you swing, the best hitter in the world probably doesn't have that much of a % chance to get on base swinging at one pitch.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:28 pm to Buda
Because you can drill the ball directly to a guy for an out. With a 3-0 count there is a chance to get a walk. Especially with the bats and field I would think taking the 3-0 pitch leads to a higher OBP.
I understand your thinking, but sometimes you just want base runners.
I understand your thinking, but sometimes you just want base runners.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:56 pm to TorNation
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Just curious what you thought about giving Raph the green light on the 2-0 pitch?
Considering their closer has 9 walks in 73 innings. I like the decision. Cant assume he would walk you, and not going to get a better pitch to see than 2-0
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