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Here's not how to run the option

Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:30 pm
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:30 pm
Who is coaching this part of the offense? It's a good mix, with good personnel, if done right. We have it. But, the execution is the most pitifully put forth diversionary effort I've seen... and it has consequences.

If done right, we're not just spreading the defense for future plays, we're gaining yards and in 2d and 3 situations instead of 2d and 13.

Anyone who has seen how poorly it's been executed can comment. Jefferson pauses... allows the entire defense to flow with the line... he bellys backwards 3-4 yards and allows both the containment on the line and the pursuit to split and contain both him and the back... and then he pitches it to the back 2 feet away from himself and the sideline.

It's pathetic. Anyone knows that the QB must make the containment commit to you or the back - henceforth, your option.

Very disappointing. Fundamental coaching.
Posted by triplesauce
new york
Member since Oct 2006
1471 posts
Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:35 pm to


What I don't get is how they keep on running like that game after game. And JJ keeps throwing it out there -- the play is going to get blown up very soon for a defensive touchdown.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:44 pm to
It's just assinine. You try to make an athlete who can throw the ball on a rope into a drop back passer - while he gets sacked 7 times in this particular game. Versus Ga. Tech when he was completely inexperienced, with every leash on him in the world, we rolled him out, let him run or throw and he excelled. Now, he's so scared after last year's other QB's interceptions that he drops back and get's sacked over and over. Yeah, our line is not good. Yeah, our offensive coordinator is scared shitless to unleash anything after J.L. last year.... but enough is enough. You have to maximize the talent that you have and our coaches are failing miserably. We have the most talented WR's and DB's in the league....

Wasted. And, Jefferson is not to blame in my opinion. This is pure coaching failure.
Posted by easy money
Member since Feb 2005
15028 posts
Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:46 pm to
he is not a running qb. much more of a pocket passer. however, he does need some rollout options. he does throw very well on the run.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37576 posts
Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:47 pm to
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This is pure coaching failure.

This
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:53 pm to
Well, since when did he become a "pocket passer"? We did much better when he was sprinting out and he had the run/throw option. I know every offense isn't completely dictated by the QB position... but it's not like we are running the ball like last year. Come on...we're forcing a square peg in a round hole and I blame this completely on Crowton/Miles, not necessarily in that order.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28149 posts
Posted on 10/4/09 at 11:58 pm to
Did you see the post game comments? JJ is scared as much as anyone about throwing picks. He was the one who pushed for the GW TD run by Scott instead of him throwing a PA pass. JJ confuses the shite out of me, though. Some downs he reminds me of D. Carr, others D Brees. He is very much in the mind of don't make a mistake rather than forcing the action. But he has to have a better internal clock that tells him to throw the ball away.
Posted by LSU Damon
Member since Sep 2009
31 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:01 am to
Mauk and Flynn were good runners and ran the QB draw. Why is it that Jefferson always runs the option and Shep always runs up the middle? I would like to see Shep fake the run and pass the ball. A completion would make it even better.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28149 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:03 am to
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completion would make it even better


Well thats what its being set up for, obviously.
Posted by easy money
Member since Feb 2005
15028 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:04 am to
go look up the stats. even in the ga tech game they're is not much production out of jj. he does need some options to move around in the pocket, but this kid is a passer not a runner. never has relied on his legs. would much rather rollout and throw a 40 yard pass. looks tentative. worried about the guidance he is receiving.

all and all, i think he is becoming a more productive passer, but he needs to really grow up quickly in the pocket. needs to feel the pressure and be more aware of all his options.
Posted by LSU Damon
Member since Sep 2009
31 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:09 am to
Australia? WTF mate

Yeah Shep had to call two timeouts today and all he did was run it up the middle. Maybe early for the passing game.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:10 am to
I didn't see that. It doesn't surprise me though. It's like after J.L. they've whipped J.J. to never throw an interception. The whole psyche of the offense has changed, carrying over from last year, with no regard to the fact that we have different players now. How, that gives an excuse to our offensive line to not give C.S. a freakin chance to do anything other than run over their backs... I don't know. It's not like they're protecting the QB at that expense.

I personally believe that last year's failures have pervaded our coach's philosophy, attitude and it has filtered down to this year's team. It's a shame.

Our defense seems to be coming along somewhat.... but, our offense has all the skill talent in the world. It's either a pathetic OL or poor coaching, or both.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:13 am to
quote:

Well, since when did he become a "pocket passer"?


Since he was in high school. Jefferson is a pass first QB and always has been. He's only 19 so we are trying to use his athletic ability as a way to slowly bring his passing game along, but keep defenses slightly off balance.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:13 am to
quote:

Well, since when did he become a "pocket passer"? We did much better when he was sprinting out and he had the run/throw option.




Been saying this myself. JJ is a sprint out, roll out QB, not a pocket passer. He passes and runs much better from this formation than he does from the pocket.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
103558 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:15 am to
I don't understand why we keep running the pure option either. I am ALL for the spread/read option. But, I have also noticed (and the people that I watch the game have noticed as well) we continue to run the option and sweeps from the shotgun formation to the SHORT side of the field, especially when trindon is the running back. This drives me absolutely crazy. I think it is a complete waste of a down to only give trindon the short side of the field to make a play. I understand that if the blocking is perfect that on the short side of the field he can make one cut up the field and be gone. But, I have yet to see that happen yet. And as the original poster correctly pointed out, Jefferson is NOT making the defender assigned to him commit before making the pitch. I would just like to see our speed utilized a little bit better in space. Also, with my comment on the read/spread option, at SOME point Shepard is going to HAVE to throw the ball i.e. Perriloux in the VA Tech game.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:22 am to
What I meant was... at LSU. I'm not remotely implying that J.J. is a "run-option" QB. Quite the opposite. But, while it has been short, his time at LSU has really shown that he can sprint out and throw on the run and put pressure on the defense if the receivers look covered to him. It seems to me to be a great skill that we are not utilizing.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:26 am to
quote:

What I meant was... at LSU. I'm not remotely implying that J.J. is a "run-option" QB. Quite the opposite. But, while it has been short, his time at LSU has really shown that he can sprint out and throw on the run and put pressure on the defense if the receivers look covered to him. It seems to me to be a great skill that we are not utilizing


I agree we need to roll him out a little more, but rolling him out takes away half the field. I'm all for a few more roll outs, but to be SEC champs we are going to have to be able to drop back and complete passes consistently.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
103558 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:26 am to
I completely agree with the fact that Jefferson throws well on the run. I just don't always agree with when the use the play action bootleg and only give him half of the field (usually the short side/half of the field) to utilize especially when the down and distance isn't in his favor. I think that the offence has REALLY tried to be TOO cute thus far and i would like to see more bubble screens and 7-10 yard hooks and outs to dickson or even mitch joseph for that matter. The same routes would be nice to any of the slot receivers, reuben randle REALLY showed this late in the uga game.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:26 am to
don't even get me started on how we misuse T.H.

set up a wall and let him outrun everyone to the sidelines on returns. quit the jooking and stopping and use your speed! not to mention in the traditional offensive sets... quit the reverse shite once a game when everyone knows it's coming because of our predictable formations... Split him out. Send him on outs, up and gos, wheel routes, posts and spread the secondary for our receivers. Plus, if he can catch a freakin punt.. he can catch a post route when he's ten yards behind the DB... he can fair catch it for all I'm concerned.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 12:30 am to
quote:

I agree we need to roll him out a little more, but rolling him out takes away half the field. I'm all for a few more roll outs, but to be SEC champs we are going to have to be able to drop back and complete passes consistently.


okay. but, getting sacked 7 times isn't going to help matters IMO. The pressure is coming to us and I'd rather take it to them, especially with the talent he's already shown.
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